Help on a AE18 Prow

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  1. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    This coin has not been ID'd yet. It's possibly Pius from Coela, did not find at RPC Online. I am interested more about what is on the prow. What do you guy's think? 18mm. 4.22g.

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  3. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    A decorative dolphin or ketos? Here's the same feature on the prow of a Marcus Aurelius from Coela (not my coin):

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  4. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    I vote Ketos.
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    Thanks @zumbly! This coin is not in good shape except for the prow. They usually do not fare well from Coela.
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Ketos/Cetus possibly. Might also be the Skylla/Scylla.
     
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  6. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Since you mentioned Ketos here's a nice profile coin:

    Ketos.jpg Kindya Caria AR Tetrobol; 11mm, 2.2gms

    Ox: Head of the Sea Monster Ketos left
    Rx: Stellate pattern within latticed frame
     
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  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Definitely looks like Pius to me too. Neat coin!
     
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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow ancientone, great coin ... congrats!!

    Ummm I like to think that it's this ...


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  9. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Brian, That is one nice sea serpent!

    Randy, Thanks man!

    Steve, That is one nice sea serpent!
     
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  10. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Let's see some non-Republican prow and galley coins.

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    Uncertain mint, Vespasian head laureate l., OYE ... KAISAR S / Prow l., EPI[..]DIONYSIOY...
    RPC 2.2805 = Lindgren 3.1661 (only catalogued specimen)

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    CYPRUS. Salamis. Æ12. Late 4th cent. BC.
    Obv: Helmeted head of Athena left.
    Rev: ΣΑΛ. Prow left.
    BMC 74.
    12mm, 2.3g.

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    Lesbos, Mytilene. AE19. Zeus Ammon / herm of Dionysos.
    Obv: Bearded and horned head of Zeus Ammon r.
    Rev: M-Y/T-I, herm of bearded Dionysos in himation standing facing on prow of ship; grape bunch to left, apluster to r.
    ca 2nd-1st century BC. AE19, 5.8g.
    SNG von Aulock -; SNG Cop. 393.

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    Megaris, Megara. Ae12. Prow/Tripod
    Obv: MEΓA, prow left.
    Rev: Tripod flanked by two dolphins with heads upwards.
    c. 275 - 250 B.C.
    12mm, 2.09g.
    BCD Pelop 18.1

    And for @stevex6, any mermaids you may have.

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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey, ancientone => thanks for the coin-invite!!

    Ummm, I'm pretty sure that I only have these two non-RR Prow examples ...


    Phoenicia, Byblos King Uzzibaal AR 1/16 Shekel
    Date: 365-350 BC
    Size: 11.03 mm
    Weight: 0.76 grams
    Obverse: two hoplites with shields in war galley sailing left (roaring lion’s head on prow), hippocamp swimming left below (N O in field)
    Reverse: Phoenician inscription; Lion attacking bull, left
    Reference: BMC 6


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    MEGARIS, Megara Æ Dichalkon
    Circa 275-250 BC
    Diameter: 15 mm
    Weight: 1.89 grams
    Obverse: Prow of galley left
    Reverse: Tripod flanked by dolphins upward
    Reference: BCD Peloponnesos 17; Kroll 644a
    Other: 12h … VF, green patina.
    From the BCD Collection (not in previous BCD sales)


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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I vote Ketos as well, but is lamprey an option? :D

    Non-RR prows:

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    PHOENICIA, Byblos. Uzzibaal
    AR dishekel, 13.3 gm

    mid 4th century BCE
    Obv: Three hoplites with shields in war galley left, roaring lion's head on prow, waves below galley; hippocamp left below; Z O (N O?) in field
    Rev: Phoenician inscription; lion attacking bull left
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 132, BMC 26.95, 4

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    EUBOIA, Histiaia
    340-330 BCE
    AR tetrobol, 13 mm, 2.3 gm
    Obv: head of nymph Histiaia right
    Rev: AIEΩN; nymph seated on stern of galley right; IX (XI?) below
    Ref: Sear Greek 2496

    Prow in the distance:
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    Nero
    struck in Rome, CE 63

    Orichalcum sestertius, 34 mm, 26.7 gm
    Obv: NERO CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG GERM P M TR P IMP PP; laureate head right, wearing aegis
    Rev: ANNONA AVGVSTI CERES; Ceres, veiled and draped, seated left, holding corn ears and torch, her feet on stool, facing Annona standing right, holding cornucopia; between them, modius on garlanded altar; in background, stern of ship
    Ref: RIC 98. Cohen 24

    A ketos:
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    CARIA, Kindya
    510-480 BCE
    AR tetrobol, 2.18 gm, 11 mm
    Obv: head of Ketos right
    Rev: geometric pattern within incuse square
    Ref: Kagan and Kritt, 'The Coinage of Kindya,' NC 1995, 1 var. (head left); SNG Keckman 920 var. (same); SNG Kayhan 815; "Asyut Hoard" 688
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Granger, I am always impressed when we pose-down our Byblos examples!!

    My humble lil' sweetie is a mere 0.76 grams of silver, yet your massive beauty is a whoppin' 13.3 grams!! (I'm totally jealous ... I have a bit of shekel envy)

    :oops:

    Man, I'd love to have "both" and take a group-shot, showing the size difference (it would be pretty sweet, eh?)
     
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  14. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coins! TIF, I usually don't care that much for Histiaia AR coins, being so common, but this one has to be one of the finest.
     
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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Those are all beautiful coins TIF. You have a good eye without a doubt.
     
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have no Phoenician coins, and have not paid much attention to that area. Wow, some VERY interesting types and devices! I should try to find a nice Tyre coin (Mother of Carthage). And, no, not a biblical silver shekel - that would be too modern.
     
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