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<p>[QUOTE="InfleXion, post: 2238465, member: 29012"]I do recall. ASEs are doing the same thing now, but junk silver has never done this. I'm not sure why you can't seem to address that point. These are apples and oranges. Silver eagles are made every week. Junk silver is becoming scarce. This is a much bigger development than market cycles. This is a fundamental shift that will cause scrap metal to decline, and market demand is dependent on that scrap.</p><p><br /></p><p>It doesn't much matter what the intent of the Comex is, because the fact of the matter is that for every one actual ounce you have 200+ paper ounces, which means that the price is skewed by up to a factor of 200+ in either direction on the supply side, and multiply that by the amount of contracts bought on margin on the demand side and we could very well be into a factor in the thousands. True price discovery is not possibe in this environment. Price is the arbiter of supply and demand. When supply is not supply, price is a lie. You are buying and selling IOUs, not metal. I am aware of how risks are hedged. That does nothing to negate the fact that price discovery by proxy is dishonest.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you want to invest based on whether or not there are shoe shine boys in the market that's your prerogative. I don't care what other people say. I only care about fundamentals. Buying at today's prices amounts to getting in a time machine and going back 6 or 7 years. That's a much better reason to buy than using lemmings as a contrarian play, as if their lack of knowledge somehow makes their viewpoint worse... no, it simply makes them ignorant, the same as throwing a dart randomly, as is the opposite.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="InfleXion, post: 2238465, member: 29012"]I do recall. ASEs are doing the same thing now, but junk silver has never done this. I'm not sure why you can't seem to address that point. These are apples and oranges. Silver eagles are made every week. Junk silver is becoming scarce. This is a much bigger development than market cycles. This is a fundamental shift that will cause scrap metal to decline, and market demand is dependent on that scrap. It doesn't much matter what the intent of the Comex is, because the fact of the matter is that for every one actual ounce you have 200+ paper ounces, which means that the price is skewed by up to a factor of 200+ in either direction on the supply side, and multiply that by the amount of contracts bought on margin on the demand side and we could very well be into a factor in the thousands. True price discovery is not possibe in this environment. Price is the arbiter of supply and demand. When supply is not supply, price is a lie. You are buying and selling IOUs, not metal. I am aware of how risks are hedged. That does nothing to negate the fact that price discovery by proxy is dishonest. If you want to invest based on whether or not there are shoe shine boys in the market that's your prerogative. I don't care what other people say. I only care about fundamentals. Buying at today's prices amounts to getting in a time machine and going back 6 or 7 years. That's a much better reason to buy than using lemmings as a contrarian play, as if their lack of knowledge somehow makes their viewpoint worse... no, it simply makes them ignorant, the same as throwing a dart randomly, as is the opposite.[/QUOTE]
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