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<p>[QUOTE="Blaubart, post: 2092638, member: 37498"]"Worst investment in history" is a pretty strong statement. As I read it, if I can find one investment that was worse than gold, then the statement is false.</p><p><br /></p><p>First, the author compares many different asset classes to gold, which is not an asset class. If he wants to single out gold from its asset class, then I should be able to single out MCI WorldComm or Enron from their asset class, which of course would prove him wrong since growing $1 to $1.95 is much better than $1 to $0.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, why examine the performance of gold and other investment vehicles over a period of 204 years? Probably because he based some of his analysis on the book "Stocks for the Long Run". But, has any individual held any of these investments for 204 years?</p><p><br /></p><p>Third, since he assumes a person bought and held gold, which is one particular commodity, for a period of 204 years, why not do the same with stocks? The conclusion that the author of Stocks for the Long Run reached was based on the averages of dividend yields and equity growth of the entire market. However, if we had to limit ourselves to one company, there's a very good chance that our stock would be worth $0 since there aren't many stocks from 204 years ago that could be redeemed for anything today. For example, there are only two companies that were founded in 1802 that are still in business today: DuPont and Scovill. No companies that were founded in 1803-1805 are still in business today. Of course some of those companies would have paid dividends before eventually going under, and some of them were acquired instead of going bankrupt, so you wouldn't necessarily be at $0.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, the article does seem to assume one buys gold and sits on it for 204 years. I think it's only fair to assume the same should be true of all the other investments. How much would a government bond from 1802 be worth today if one never renewed it when it matured?</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, there's also this:</p><p><br /></p><p>"But the problem with that thesis is that the U.S. government has the right, any time it wants, to confiscate gold owned by private individuals."</p><p><br /></p><p>How much gold did the government "seize"? Has the government ever seized anything besides gold? Have other entities ever seized assets? How about secured creditors and bond owners in the event of a bankruptcy? If you picked one company to buy stock in and it goes bankrupt, it doesn't really matter how much was seized by the government or private entities, the end result is much the same. In the event of a large scale financial collapse, how much gold do you suppose the government might seize? How much money do you suppose would "evaporate" from the financial markets? How many companies might go bankrupt resulting in ordinary shareholders receiving $0 for their shares? In the event of a government bankruptcy or collapse, how much are those bonds usually worth?</p><p><br /></p><p>I'd be willing to bet that the value of assets seized under such circumstances vastly outweighs the amount of gold "seized" by the government under FDR's executive order.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a good project for the author: Since index funds, sector funds, mutual funds and most other such investment vehicles didn't exist in 1802, and since he picked gold and compared it to other asset classes, why not do a similar experiment with stocks? Take a look at each publicly traded stock that existed in 1802 and see what a $1 investment in each particular stock would be worth today.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Blaubart, post: 2092638, member: 37498"]"Worst investment in history" is a pretty strong statement. As I read it, if I can find one investment that was worse than gold, then the statement is false. First, the author compares many different asset classes to gold, which is not an asset class. If he wants to single out gold from its asset class, then I should be able to single out MCI WorldComm or Enron from their asset class, which of course would prove him wrong since growing $1 to $1.95 is much better than $1 to $0. Second, why examine the performance of gold and other investment vehicles over a period of 204 years? Probably because he based some of his analysis on the book "Stocks for the Long Run". But, has any individual held any of these investments for 204 years? Third, since he assumes a person bought and held gold, which is one particular commodity, for a period of 204 years, why not do the same with stocks? The conclusion that the author of Stocks for the Long Run reached was based on the averages of dividend yields and equity growth of the entire market. However, if we had to limit ourselves to one company, there's a very good chance that our stock would be worth $0 since there aren't many stocks from 204 years ago that could be redeemed for anything today. For example, there are only two companies that were founded in 1802 that are still in business today: DuPont and Scovill. No companies that were founded in 1803-1805 are still in business today. Of course some of those companies would have paid dividends before eventually going under, and some of them were acquired instead of going bankrupt, so you wouldn't necessarily be at $0. However, the article does seem to assume one buys gold and sits on it for 204 years. I think it's only fair to assume the same should be true of all the other investments. How much would a government bond from 1802 be worth today if one never renewed it when it matured? Of course, there's also this: "But the problem with that thesis is that the U.S. government has the right, any time it wants, to confiscate gold owned by private individuals." How much gold did the government "seize"? Has the government ever seized anything besides gold? Have other entities ever seized assets? How about secured creditors and bond owners in the event of a bankruptcy? If you picked one company to buy stock in and it goes bankrupt, it doesn't really matter how much was seized by the government or private entities, the end result is much the same. In the event of a large scale financial collapse, how much gold do you suppose the government might seize? How much money do you suppose would "evaporate" from the financial markets? How many companies might go bankrupt resulting in ordinary shareholders receiving $0 for their shares? In the event of a government bankruptcy or collapse, how much are those bonds usually worth? I'd be willing to bet that the value of assets seized under such circumstances vastly outweighs the amount of gold "seized" by the government under FDR's executive order. Here's a good project for the author: Since index funds, sector funds, mutual funds and most other such investment vehicles didn't exist in 1802, and since he picked gold and compared it to other asset classes, why not do a similar experiment with stocks? Take a look at each publicly traded stock that existed in 1802 and see what a $1 investment in each particular stock would be worth today.[/QUOTE]
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