Featured FS-901 DDR 1899 Barber Quarter . . . Fake?

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  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :stop: Perhaps things are different with world coins. :D

    Hope the contrarian likes my :troll: joke.
     
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  3. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    Yes, funny how US coins might be manufactured using different physics than the rest of the world.
     
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  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    That seems quite a stretch . . . I'm not sure I'd rely on physics to try and explain what you believe.
     
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  5. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The obverse issues are not due to die wear. IGWT is quite well-defined, but the letters are malformed and even of different heights. This would not happen with a worn die. Instead, you'd see letters smeared out toward the rim. Study a bunch of pictures of 1921-S Morgans, and you'll see this. The reason LIBERTY is mushy is due to the transfer die process. Even on a worn authentic die, they'd be much sharper than what you see on this coin. It could be that the CPG coin is a F-VF that disguised the malformed lettering with wear. The editor of the quarters section would know, as would some of the BCCS people.
     
  6. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    I am also in the camp of those that believe the CPG and OP coin are different coins. But at this time my problem with the OP's coin goes deeper. The spread of the doubling exhibited by the OP's coin does not appear to be geometrically correct. If the OP coin is a product produced from a transfer die the source coin used to make the die more than likely exhibited this same questionable spread.

    And why would some utilize a valuable CPG variety coin for the purpose of producing a transfer die.
    Quarter 1899 Reverse Map 5 OP Overlay Compare.JPG
     
  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the tag kSigSteve; I have some reading up to do with this post!
     
  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    FYI to all, I have emailed Bill Fivaz and asked if he can weigh in on this subject.
     
  9. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    A foreign coin collector with your knowledge of US minting practice and that of the rest of the world is a great asset to this coin forum! :D
     
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  10. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    FYI, I’m not sure that you are aware, but many of the modern struck fakes have heavy die polish lines.

    Based on a fairly decent sample size:

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  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    WOW! That is a terrific collection. I'm seriously jealous to the MAX!!
     
  13. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

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  14. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    This is a bit elementary but a good reminder coming from all of this may be not to forget that a coin has two sides.
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    The washer and magnet? No. They just happened to find their way into my bag o’ fakes
     
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  16. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I think they both belong . . . after all, that imposter of a magnet must've clung for dear life to catch a free ride, and I'm pretty sure it's a fake hole in that washer. Prove me wrong . . .
     
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  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Actually, three and the third side can be very revealing. ;)
     
  18. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Reviewed this with my friends at the Barber Coin Collectors' Society and it came back as definitely NG. Lettering is a total disaster...
     

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  19. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    It’s also a clipped planchet! :eek:
     
  20. westcoin

    westcoin New Member

    Whatever comes from this, I must agree I am skeptical on the PCGS coin. This thread is one of the better posts, save for some bad trolling, which I’ve read so far this year. Thank you to all working on finding the truth behind this coin variety.
     
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  21. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    L&C should submit it to CAC. If it stickers, it should then consign it to Legend. :rolleyes:

    I wish I owned L&C. I would have A LOT of fun with this one, before obviously doing the right thing and sending it back to PCGS under the guarantee.
     
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