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<p>[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 2887931, member: 77814"]I've tracked the stock market forever since below 2,000 DOW. There's always an article of an eminent market correction. At one point when the market was at 8,000 and then again at 15,000 I pulled my money out and into the Money Market to preserve cash from the eminent "now" crash !!. It never came, so I put my money back in and let it roll.</p><p><br /></p><p>I also, or did, invest in junk debt for high return. A lot of junk debt is starting to have higher default ratios. Just look up junk car loans (junk = ppl with very low credit scores) ==> <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-its-getting-harder-to-ignore-rising-subprime-auto-defaults-2017-03-30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-its-getting-harder-to-ignore-rising-subprime-auto-defaults-2017-03-30" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-its-getting-harder-to-ignore-rising-subprime-auto-defaults-2017-03-30</a></p><p>My investment was returning well over 10% (and that was "safe" junk debt). But now it's at 1.35%. And I expect it to drop some more. It's contract based, so can't really get out of each contract.</p><p><br /></p><p>The thing about the market crashing is you have to have a stimulus to the crash. Some part of the economy has to go down first to start causing a domino effect. So subprime is usually the culprit. I pulled out of subprime, and put any debt into BBB+ Commercial Bonds which are still garnering 7.5-10+% annual returns.</p><p><br /></p><p>Much less than the 10-45% returns you can get in subprime but also much safer. Of course I also own mutual funds, index funds, and individual stocks of which some are up over 70% since March.</p><p><br /></p><p>I've mentioned this several times but I don't think of PMs as an "investment" but simply a storage of wealth. Which I only put into ASE/AGEs which can be leveraged as a hard asset with a good bank/CU (most rounds aren't).</p><p><br /></p><p>Then I have a pretty looking coin collection/numismatic collection which I think is different. I only track it's purchase cost and not current valuations.</p><p><br /></p><p>Stock investments can be more "safe" in a way, as long as you do your research, etc they can be pretty stable. Of course, if you put emotions first or research with a skew of looking for only positive information you'll probably lose.</p><p><br /></p><p>In regards to PMs .. every one has different opinions on it.</p><p>Just look at the historical prices and determine what you want to do.</p><p>Think of past disasters and figure out how many times they dumped their cash and used PMs, etc etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>To make good decisions one has to look at both sides of the argument no matter what it is. PMs will always be around, if anything, it makes great looking jewelry.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 2887931, member: 77814"]I've tracked the stock market forever since below 2,000 DOW. There's always an article of an eminent market correction. At one point when the market was at 8,000 and then again at 15,000 I pulled my money out and into the Money Market to preserve cash from the eminent "now" crash !!. It never came, so I put my money back in and let it roll. I also, or did, invest in junk debt for high return. A lot of junk debt is starting to have higher default ratios. Just look up junk car loans (junk = ppl with very low credit scores) ==> [url]http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-its-getting-harder-to-ignore-rising-subprime-auto-defaults-2017-03-30[/url] My investment was returning well over 10% (and that was "safe" junk debt). But now it's at 1.35%. And I expect it to drop some more. It's contract based, so can't really get out of each contract. The thing about the market crashing is you have to have a stimulus to the crash. Some part of the economy has to go down first to start causing a domino effect. So subprime is usually the culprit. I pulled out of subprime, and put any debt into BBB+ Commercial Bonds which are still garnering 7.5-10+% annual returns. Much less than the 10-45% returns you can get in subprime but also much safer. Of course I also own mutual funds, index funds, and individual stocks of which some are up over 70% since March. I've mentioned this several times but I don't think of PMs as an "investment" but simply a storage of wealth. Which I only put into ASE/AGEs which can be leveraged as a hard asset with a good bank/CU (most rounds aren't). Then I have a pretty looking coin collection/numismatic collection which I think is different. I only track it's purchase cost and not current valuations. Stock investments can be more "safe" in a way, as long as you do your research, etc they can be pretty stable. Of course, if you put emotions first or research with a skew of looking for only positive information you'll probably lose. In regards to PMs .. every one has different opinions on it. Just look at the historical prices and determine what you want to do. Think of past disasters and figure out how many times they dumped their cash and used PMs, etc etc. To make good decisions one has to look at both sides of the argument no matter what it is. PMs will always be around, if anything, it makes great looking jewelry.[/QUOTE]
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