Error Experts, Please Help; Is this a blank or a planchet?

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  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Well, to update you, it appears this IS struck on a type 1 blank - no rim.

    Personally, this is a superb and incredibly rare find. Cents struck on type 1 blanks are super scarce.
     
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  3. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    That is good information, thanks for sharing it.
    Does being broadstruck on one side only make them Rare ?
     
  4. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Well, I don't think it is possible to have only one side broadstruck. But it is very, very rare to have a coin struck on a blank that somehow skipped the upsetting mill.
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I would guess that a full partial collar strike could be considered to be a one sided broadstrike. The defining feature of a broad strike is that it is struck without the collar being present. In the case of a full partial collar half of the planchet extends above the collar, so you could say the top (hammer) side was broadstruck while the bottom (anvil) side was struck in the collar. :)
     
  6. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Back in the day, the term used was
    'Blank Planchet' - it wasn't till the
    early/mid '70's, or so, that we dinos
    started using those two words Separately !

    A Type 1 Blank is the disc just punched out of the strip.

    A Type 2 Planchet has gone thru the upsetting machine,
    getting the raised rim.

    (NGC does use the term Type 2 Blank to label a
    Blank that has been annealed - more confusion!)
     
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  7. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    .I have a 1942 cent that was struck on a blank. I guess you would have to say the Obverse is struck Out of Collar (broadstruck). While the Reverse is struck in the collar. It looks like a broadstike on one side.and sort of regular on the reverse.
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  8. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I am not so sure that is struck on a blank
     
  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I think I see the partial collar referenxe by @Conder101 . That takes Collar to a whole new reference.
    Take my statement with a grain of salt.
    I am still trying to get a handle on the square rimmed rev. And the ballooned rims Inc.
    With out it disturbing the surfaces. And if it is altered how did they do it.
    Cool coin. Alurid.
     
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  10. alurid

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  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The side view in the attached thread adds a little credence to what I am seeing, It doesn't look beveled to me in the above photos.
    Sorry, for the interruption.
     
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  13. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I wonder why Lincoln cents on the proper metal and denomination are super scarce on blanks, yet many cents struck on the wrong denomination's planchet (e.g. cent struck on a dime) are blanks?

    Can anyone explain why?
     
  14. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    That is an interesting observation. Could it be a results of "mint assisted errors"?
     
  15. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    No sure, but it is true for coins over several decades. Even many nickels on cent planchets are blanks
     
  16. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    It could be just the way blanks and planchets are handled and the way the are moved around at different points of the processes they have to go though.
    Then the fact when an Error coin is sent in to be slabbed the owner gets to pay to have what they want written on the slab. IMO a lot of these are bogus, and have incorect attibutions. And 20 years ago they where all considered "Blanks".
    It would be interesting to do a study inside the mint to find out which errors
    are really the rarest. Just for the record you know. I know it would not change the value of many coins due to the fact that Rarity is not all ways a factor in the value
    of some coins.
     
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  17. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    I say it's a blank. Just compare the nickel it looks like a rim as well. Its a nice coin on a blank. Imo. Is there a such thing as a type 1 that is not broadstruck? Oh yea thats impossible. If it were a planchet the rim would be full. The strike wouldn't flatten the rim. Anacs got it rite with type 1
     
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  18. JCro57

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  19. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Here is a slide/page I made to help with the coin I posted originally. I welcome all comments.
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  20. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    A nother easy way to check is the
    view the edge of the coin.

    A broadstruck or off center coin
    struck on a Type 1 Blank will have
    (in the vast majority of cases)
    the 'cut and tear' marks that we
    see INSIDE of a clipped planchet.
     
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  21. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

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