1 Cent collar slip or luck token

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by alurid, Oct 22, 2016.

  1. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Did you look at the mark you described in photo #3 & #4. What is this finning you speak of?
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    This is what he is talking about @Hommer
    finning.JPG
     
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  4. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Did anyone not notice the die or planchet slippage that caused a shadow type image above the word pluribus. Reverse image post # 3. What type of encasement would cause that?
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I see.. but it could be unrelated to the question if it's Post Encased or Error..
     
  6. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Maybe these pics will help. DSC04216.JPG DSC04210.JPG DSC04215.JPG
     
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  7. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    When there is excessive force applied to the planchet during a strike, metal is forced into the minute clearance between the die and collar. It leaves a thin sharp edge protruding perpendicular to the face of the coin on the rim.
    You could try and make a case for the coin being struck in the wrong size collar but I don't have knowledge of one with a taper.
     
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  8. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    What you are describing is what this coin has, a thin sharp edge on the reverse protruding perpendicular to the flat surface of the coin. Error-ref.com Collar deployment error / partial collar /
    flange with bevel.
     
  9. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    So it's been a few days and no new post. I wast hoping someone new might pop in.
    I am kind of disappointed that all 6 posters got this one wrong. I realize it is hard to tell somethings just from photos, but I feel like I got shot down pretty quick. It must be a quite rare misstrike as not to be reconized by others. I surly have a better insight as to what to expect when posting here at Coin Talk.
    Thanks to all, for encouraging me to do the research needed to understand what it is.
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Have you looked into how Lucky holders are struck? The coin is pressed into the holder at the same time the die strikes the holder. Different dies and different types of holders will create different edges and rims on the coin. I can post a few example images if you wish. Hope I'm wrong and you have something really cool. I'm just not seeing it.
     
  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I may be wrong here but I was under the assumption that the reverse was the hammer die; which if that is the case, the collar would be on the obverse die. I've not witnessed finning on the reverse rim of a coin, it's always been on the obverse. But I do admit I haven't seen everything, yet.
     
  12. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    The collar is not attached to a die. It is separate, essentially a third die.
     
  13. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    It slides over and around the anvil die and is raised up after the planchet is placed over the anvil die, does it not? I didn't say it was attached.
     
  14. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The lead-off coin is a partial collar error. It may also have been struck on a blank.
     
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  15. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your post. Do you mean struck on a blank, as apposed to being struck
    on a planchet? A blank would have a larger diameter that may not fit into the collar?
     
  16. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Yes. But my speculation is based on the lack of any trace of a persistent proto-rim along the outer margin of the obverse face.
     
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  17. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your information! I have a better understanding of the coin.
    And I feel more confident being able to share this information.
     
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