Does this 1912 coin have a mintmark?

This is funny I asked the very same question about this coin before listing it that is why I had a picture. I thought I would experimenting trying different listings.

http://www.cointalk.com/t217846/

 

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regarding your earlier post no offense,but the 2 "shiney" v had to have been cleaned judging by there condition and no they are not proofs.i doubt toned or not being in that condition that a person looking for toned coins would take that into consideration.i do not mean any offense i am only responding to your post and yes you may sell it to someone and i hope they are happy with the purchase for whatever reason.you may want to look at the replies to your previous post as they were very polite and honest i think.one thing i have found so far in my short time here is that the people here over all are helpful and i for one appreciate that even though i may have a different opinion or way of stating it.anyway good luck with your business.

 

Interesting. Let me turn the tables a bit. What if several buyers started bidding thinking that smudge was actually an "S" mint mark and trying to cherry pick, and ran the final price up to $150.00? Are you then contacting the bidders asking "What are you thinking?" and advising them it's not what they think and you will not accept such a ridiculous amount for this lesser value coin, or are you simply accepting the payment, shipping said coin, and dealing with the fallout when the buyer realizes what they'd done? And how will you deal with that fallout?

The lesson learned here is to PROOF READ your ads. Too many people think with eBay that they can become big-time dealers just by opening an account, and find that when they act unprofessional by hurriedly typing the ad copy and posting blurry photos, then find a buyer who took advantage of that and cherry picked a coin, they fall back on the "But...I'm a newbie" wail. Same as someone buying a coin they hoped to cherry pick because of said bad copy and blurry photo, find out it's not what they hoped, and sing the "eBay Buyer Protection" song. eBay is not a casino. There should be no "gambling". Again, like someone else said, welcome to the real world. Business is hard. What you learned is to be sure of what you're selling, and proof read your ad before posting. Sometimes education can be expensive.

As I understand it, when you post an item for sale, and after the auction ends and someone wins, this creates a binding contract between the seller and the winner of the auction. Period. It does not open up the item for negotiation. He pays, you sell at that winning bid. Pretty simple. Unless you want to fall back on the "Not responsible for typographic errors" line, but it was you, after all, who made the error, so that wouldn't wash either.

Just looking at this from a hypothetical point of view, because, after all, you got lucky. I am curious as to what eBay would have said if the situation actually existed. My guess, they would quote the "binding contract" clause. They would not allow the newbie excuse.

 

Above is your original post (one you later deleted for what are likely obvious reasons), so please do not play the innocent “new” victim here.
"Grossly taking advantage" how? Until called out, you admitted that you would have lied and sent the wrong coin. I hate to break it to you, but this is not taking the high road. The coin was offered in a seven day auction and no one put a gun to your head, so stop acting as if it would have been the buyer cheating and taking advantage you. Is it really that difficult to check your coins for a mintmark [FONT=&amp]before[/FONT] offering them for sale? Also, I never said anything about what they buyer should have done had this coin actually been an S. The only thing I questioned was the way you initially planned on handling the situation (the post you later deleted). What I would do in this situation does not really matter, but for what it is worth, I would not have expected you to follow through had you been honest. However, had you instead followed through with lying and/or sending a different coin, this may have changed. Regardless, the point is that you need to be responsible for your actions, mistakes, etc instead of claiming to be new and acting as if this gives you some sort of responsibility pass. Why do you think the one gentleman asked for your seller ID? Backing out of a sale by giving excuses and/or lying is unacceptable and most will not want to deal with someone who thinks this type of behavior okay.

Most with any experience selling coins can tell stories of a time when they ate a loss in order to do the right thing. It is part of the business and is an excellent way of learning not to make the same mistake again. Had you initially said what you later did in post #15, this would not be an issue. The better person will admit to and/or pay for their mistakes instead of trying to position themselves as a victim.

Umm.. you already did, but I digress.

Please refresh my memory because I cannot recall ever saying that $3 for a stamp was okay. Seriously, please show me where I said this and unless taken out of context, I will happily apologize. Actually, the only discussion with you that I do recall was over your insistence that a damaged, low end LS quarter was something special. Even though experienced opinions were given by a few members, you ranted on and on demanding that we show you an identical junk quarter at melt. You're right... it is none of my business and I could not care less what you do, but when you ask for opinions, there is no reason to become upset when you get exactly what you asked for.

Why start threads then? The last I checked this was a discussion forum and not a support group.

 

I am not going to even comment on any of this though but I am wondering what the motivation is with these comments like "playing dealer", "because they have an Ebay account they think they are a dealer", or "because you were not picked, this is not over" stem from. Obviously I had this smudge checked out before here and at other forums as well, and listed it. Sounds to me these comments are driven by some type of motivation. Feel free to drag this on for another 60 pages, but the issue is done.

FYI: I currently have a bachelor's degree and masters degree in computer science and took courses in internet marketing and e-commerce. I am capable of doing a little more than open an Ebay account but Ebay's got the traffic and if you would like to explain why that is, take an internet marketing course.

 

I can tell you exactly what Ebay would do, absolutely nothing look up sellers backing out on sales on google. I've seen people post about sellers with items they've won and been sent messages by the seller that the item went for 'less than they were willing to sell for' Seller sends cancel transaction case with a message stating so in some cases. Even if you decline the cancel transaction case there's nothing Ebay will do to force a seller to honor a sale but buyers get non paid item strikes if a seller doesn't let you back out. So it turns out a seller can back out of any sale even if you don't agree to it they can just never ship the item and your only recourse unless you pursue small claims court is to file a case with ebay and receive a refund and then neg the seller.

 

I think you are right, I hear about people getting something for a really low price here on this board all the time and the seller cancelling the transaction and refunding the buyer's money and even though the buyer refused there really is no way to force them to send it to you. You can give them bad feedback but to some it may be worth it. People get negative feedback but if it is countered by plenty of positive feedback, it gets lost. People get negative feedback for all sorts of reason. I know the last debate I got in with Books4Coins was with people getting negative feedback for charging $3 for a stamp.

 

Ebay would tell you to send the coin pictured in the auction, I'm 99.9% sure.

 

It is really hard to say what would happen since the incident never occurred. The buyer received his coin today and left positive feedback stating "item just as described". As I stated I posted this coin to two different forums before I listed it asking the same question. That is why I had a picture. I know mintmarks are obvious like the coin above. It is really weird though a few of my 1912s have some sort of smudge where the mintmark is, maybe they were fakes at one point and their mintmarks fell off? I think the persons point is if someone decides not to sell something, not much you can do but there will be ramifications if they don't like they will get negative feedback and a strike against them most likely but some may consider that worth it. Even if it was an "S" others would have caught it and the price would go up anyway most likely. I am sure that it would have went for my cost for the entire lot at least.

 

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Buddy,

Why do you keep editing your posts after they have been replied to? Also, exactly where did I say "this is not over since you were not picked"? Please stop acting like there is a conspiracy against you, or as if there is some sort of nefarious motivation behind anyone who disagrees with you. The more I think about it, this is the third time we've been through this, and the third time you've have turned to paranoid accusations. Instead of accepting the fact that just because you may not have experienced something, it in no way means anyone who has is lying to or is somehow trying to hurt you. You mentioned having degrees in computer science, so if I had question or needed advice in your field, I would do so with the understanding that you just might know what you are talking about, but I would at least respect your opinion. Well, the same goes here... you openly admitted to being new, so instead of taking something you do not wish to hear as being personal, accept it for what it is and maybe, just maybe learn something.

Again, please show me where I said charging $3 for a stamp was acceptable. If you can I will happily apologize, but if you cannot do so, I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop putting words in my mouth.


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Here we go again... please show me where I ever said "because you were not picked, this is not over". Also, when did I (or OmahaOrange) say that "because they have an Ebay account they think they are a dealer"? If you want to quote or point the finger at people, at least take the time to actually READ what was said and quote them correctly. The reality is that there are a lot of people out there who, just because they have an account, like to "play dealer" (to quote myself) on ebay, but no one said YOU are doing this, so why take it personally and start with the motivation nonsense again?

As for wondering where the comments came from, it appears they came from.... you, so maybe you should ask yourself what the motivation is.

 

What does this have to do with you realizing a potential mistake and then concocting a way to lie and weasel your way out of it. Thankfully...no mistake was made, but you clearly displayed your true colors as to how you would have handled such a situation (should it come up again). If I knew your eBay ID...I would block you.

 

Should not have said anything.

 

If you want to block me, be my guest. As others stated there really isn't anyway to force someone to sell something. If you feel this is my true colors maybe I should not visit this forum any longer and not participate nor click your ads. So long. If you want to block me, you can find my ID in the auction forum, it is further down since I do not post my auctions at this forum. Feel free to report me for an occurrence that never occurred nor would have occurred since I already posted this coin to other forums. I don't know who you think you are stating I am "demonstrating my true colors" since I know I wouldn't have to lie or weasel out not to sell something I don't want to sell. Simply don't sell it and refund the money. I would take a hit from it I know that. You want to talk crap about me over something that didn't happen go ahead, I will no longer be here to read it. Plus what kind of person tries to force someone to sell a key date for 99 cents with free shipping when it was an obvious mistake? Someone greedy. You really want to sell to someone like that?

 

it is the seller's responsibility to police his own site as it would be impossible i would think for ebay or any auction online or off to know if all the items were being represented accurately.i have bought things that weren't represented accurately;if the seller is honest enough he will make good one way or the other if not and he is kicked from ebay for instance he will just change his id and other info and start again i think.

 

This is just it. It is up to the seller to know what he is selling. When an online sale is completed on eBay...a contract has been made between the seller and the buyer. It's one thing to contact the buyer and explain the situation and attempt to cancel the sale. It is an entirely different thing to simply decide to replace the item with an inferior example because one doesn't want to own up to their own mistake.

That said, there was no initial mistake made. The coin listed was not a key date. But, to admit that if it were the plan was simply to send a different coin is exceptionally unethical.