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<p>[QUOTE="fatima, post: 1165023, member: 22143"]Government should have no role in the creation of inflation or deflation. However once they convert the currency used for trade to 100% fiat and put laws on the books to prevent any competing currency from being used, then government has 100% control over inflation or deflation. (plus a great deal of control over its people)</p><p><br /></p><p>Inflation has to occur in a debt based system (fiat money) because the investors that own that system have to be paid off. Yet these people have no role in the actual creation and consumption of the real wealth covered by the currency transaction so the question is raised. "where does the money come from to pay off the investors?" The answer is they inflate the money supply to provide siphon off the wealth. This is a simple example:</p><p><br /></p><p>In an asset based economy, say silver, there is no 3rd party involved. I buy a dozen eggs from a farmer and pay him with a silver dollar. The value of that money is in the silver. This is how the USA operated until the 1930s. There was essentially no inflation for over 130 years. </p><p><br /></p><p>In a debt based economy, I buy a dozen eggs from a farmer and pay him with a Federal Reserve Note. This money entered the economy by the FR "loaning" the money. It expects interest to be paid on this money. So for example if the interest is 5 cents/year where does the 5 cents come from? Or rather, when I use the dollar to pay the farmer who is paying the interest on that dollar? What ends up happening is they inflate the supply of money so next year in this example, I have to pay the farmer $1.05 for the same purchase or the farmer gets less wealth. So in other words, the farmer and myself didn't change anything, but because a 3rd party is involved in the transaction who didn't provide anything beyond a piece of paper, one or both of us loses out. This is the fundamental flaw in the fiat system.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is why there is inflation and why there will always be inflation until the Federal Reserve blows up. They have to keep inflating the money to keep paying off the accumulated interest. The problem is that any system that is inflated at a constant linear rate, will end up with a geometric increase in size with the end coming at an extremely fast rate.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="fatima, post: 1165023, member: 22143"]Government should have no role in the creation of inflation or deflation. However once they convert the currency used for trade to 100% fiat and put laws on the books to prevent any competing currency from being used, then government has 100% control over inflation or deflation. (plus a great deal of control over its people) Inflation has to occur in a debt based system (fiat money) because the investors that own that system have to be paid off. Yet these people have no role in the actual creation and consumption of the real wealth covered by the currency transaction so the question is raised. "where does the money come from to pay off the investors?" The answer is they inflate the money supply to provide siphon off the wealth. This is a simple example: In an asset based economy, say silver, there is no 3rd party involved. I buy a dozen eggs from a farmer and pay him with a silver dollar. The value of that money is in the silver. This is how the USA operated until the 1930s. There was essentially no inflation for over 130 years. In a debt based economy, I buy a dozen eggs from a farmer and pay him with a Federal Reserve Note. This money entered the economy by the FR "loaning" the money. It expects interest to be paid on this money. So for example if the interest is 5 cents/year where does the 5 cents come from? Or rather, when I use the dollar to pay the farmer who is paying the interest on that dollar? What ends up happening is they inflate the supply of money so next year in this example, I have to pay the farmer $1.05 for the same purchase or the farmer gets less wealth. So in other words, the farmer and myself didn't change anything, but because a 3rd party is involved in the transaction who didn't provide anything beyond a piece of paper, one or both of us loses out. This is the fundamental flaw in the fiat system. This is why there is inflation and why there will always be inflation until the Federal Reserve blows up. They have to keep inflating the money to keep paying off the accumulated interest. The problem is that any system that is inflated at a constant linear rate, will end up with a geometric increase in size with the end coming at an extremely fast rate.[/QUOTE]
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