I did find with certain coins, like the 1923-S, I just couldn't afford anything that had any eye appeal, so I was pleased to have an offer for about $500 accepted on an ICG VF30 Details 1923-S. It has a lot more eye appeal than my 1921-P Good 4 in an ANACS slab which ran me $160. Only the "1" is visible on the 1921, whereas the entire "1923" is visible (along with a lot of other details) on my 1923-S. I also recently submitted a bunch of the raw ones to ICG (first time I've submitted any coins for grading, though I've acquired many slabbed coins over the years) which was a very good experience. To me, as a regular Joe Shmoe long term collector, completing the collection was the primary goal, and good eye appeal sometimes matters to me more than whether or not the coin is original versus cleaned / "details". I know there are a lot of collectors who only want unaltered MS state / high grade coins in PCGS cases, but is anyone with me on enjoying coins even if they're not perfect? I find that there is beauty and magic in the history encapsulated in these little disks, regardless of the slab, if any, or a cleaning. How do you folks feel on the subject? I'm with the slobs!