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<p>[QUOTE="Rono, post: 1091613, member: 6492"]Pepperoni has it right. Ethanol is not really cost effective when using corn as the feed stock. Sugar cane has a different cost equation and is economically viable. Ethanol in the form of E-85 is a very good fuel and a nice compliment to other fuels. It's cleaner, but more corrosive. That's why flex fuel engines have stainless plumbing. Where the interest is, is with waste wood and switch grass and corn storge (i.e. stalks and such). The issue is getting it to ferment sufficiently to make alcohol before distillation. They're working on the yeast/sugar additive mixture and makeup to get the mash right. Compressed nat gas is the cleanest fuel by far. After 100K, your engine still looks brand new. Minimal emissions. Safter. However, zilch for a distribution network because it's not gasoline. Propane is also a good fuel when you can use bottles. Batteries are great but have little range and you need to be close to an outlet. That's why so many of these exotic fuels are great in a hub & spoke operation. Nat gas is the nut. Outfit your local delivery fleet for $2K a vehicle. Intall a $5K compressor and tap off your regular natural gas service. Fuel costs would be under a dollar a gallon equivalent. At MDOT back in the 90's, we were running 6 different fuels at one time. Gas, diesel, propane, E-85, CNB and electric. And they've got solar receptors on quite a bit of stuff (lights, flashing arrows, traffic counters, etc.). And this will be the future - various fuels for various uses. They've all got their strengths and weaknesses. </p><p> </p><p>peace,</p><p> </p><p>rono[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Rono, post: 1091613, member: 6492"]Pepperoni has it right. Ethanol is not really cost effective when using corn as the feed stock. Sugar cane has a different cost equation and is economically viable. Ethanol in the form of E-85 is a very good fuel and a nice compliment to other fuels. It's cleaner, but more corrosive. That's why flex fuel engines have stainless plumbing. Where the interest is, is with waste wood and switch grass and corn storge (i.e. stalks and such). The issue is getting it to ferment sufficiently to make alcohol before distillation. They're working on the yeast/sugar additive mixture and makeup to get the mash right. Compressed nat gas is the cleanest fuel by far. After 100K, your engine still looks brand new. Minimal emissions. Safter. However, zilch for a distribution network because it's not gasoline. Propane is also a good fuel when you can use bottles. Batteries are great but have little range and you need to be close to an outlet. That's why so many of these exotic fuels are great in a hub & spoke operation. Nat gas is the nut. Outfit your local delivery fleet for $2K a vehicle. Intall a $5K compressor and tap off your regular natural gas service. Fuel costs would be under a dollar a gallon equivalent. At MDOT back in the 90's, we were running 6 different fuels at one time. Gas, diesel, propane, E-85, CNB and electric. And they've got solar receptors on quite a bit of stuff (lights, flashing arrows, traffic counters, etc.). And this will be the future - various fuels for various uses. They've all got their strengths and weaknesses. peace, rono[/QUOTE]
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