Chinese gold and silver panda.

Well with your mind set on those years, there's plenty of them out there.
You only like one ounce Pandas?

 

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for silver bullion. always look for one ounce. for gold. its fractional the better.

 

They don't make fractional silver Pandas do they?

 

i mean other bullion silver coins.

 

I see.

I was just thinking in terms of this thread's topic.

 

Too bad you guys are located "worlds" away......

Then again....a marriage made in heaven?

 

You got that right!! Only the highest grade!!

 

I do not think the buying would only be focused on the pandas. There may be a surge in demand at some point for many of the bullion coins from China, India, etc. but especially the ASEs and AGEs. TC

 

Hi Elaine,
Just wonder where did you get the mintage for the Silver and Gold Panda bullions. Even the books I had written by the Chinese themselves didn't have enough evidence for 1995 - 2000.

I share the same sentiments about hundreds of millions of Chinese wanting to own a Silver Panda. However, I do wonder about the sustainability of its price. Like now, prices of the 2010 Lunar Tiger minted by the Chinese mint are on a slide especially for the colored version. When the coins were initially launched, the prices moved upwards daily thus refuting claims that the Chinese don't give a hoot about the coins. Secondly, I also have the same concern on counterfeit issues.

I agree on comments about the quality of the panda coins pre-2001. But it is actually the imperfections of the coins that keeps me really keen on them. Even for the 2010 version, there are imperfections that lead to easily 4 different types in the same year. There are actually 3 types for 1995 and 1999 versions. I don't know how many 1oz Silver Pandas I have but I do have one each from every year and I keep a blog on spotting counterfeits and information about the Panda coins including tracking of their prices in ebay.

As for Gold Panda, their prices do not move much as they follow closely to bullion price except maybe for the 1995 version, which has the lowest mintage.

 

gold panda prices:
2010---1,220.15
2009---1,287.31
2008---1,319.40
2007---1,349.40
2006---1,359.40
2005---1,359.40
2004---1,359.40
2003---1,469.40
2002---1,469.40
2001---1,359.40
1900---1,469.40
1999---1,469.40
1998---1,769.40
1997---1,419.40
1996---1,444.40
1995---2,069.40
1994---1,469.40
1993---1,319.40
1992---1,329.40
1991---1,339.40
1990---1,319.40
1989---1,239.40
1988---1,239.40
1987s--1,219.40
1987y--1,239.40
1986---1,219.40
1985---1,219.40
1984---1,469.40
1983---1,419.40
1982---2,938.20

 

silver panda prices:
2010---25.54
2009---31.99---(30th anniversary)
2009---
2008---44.99
2007---39.99
2006---39.99
2005---
2004---49.99
2003---
2002---49.99
2001---49.99
2000---49.99
1999---99.99
1998---44.99
1997---49.99
1996---49.99
1995---49.99
1994---99.99
1993---99.99
1992---
1991---
1990---54.99
1989---49.99

source: apmex

 

What's your blog site url? Would like to see what info you have, esp given the mintage figures.

I have visited a lot of web sites that offer very differing numbers on early date Panda's mintage figures. I think that all these concerns of quality, record keeping, the history of prices tracking bullion and China's general lack of authority in numismatics and/or it's unwillingness to police counterfeiting and placing quantity over quality will forever plague this series of precious metals coins.

The chart on Panda Collector is pretty much one of the most easily cross referenced ones I have found that helps point out the mintage issues.

 

You two are too funny (Krispy and Elain1970).

Happy belated Valentines Day.

I vote for the side by side Marco's pose.

 

Ditto.

I know second hand (not as a victim) that counterfeiting is a real issue with Chinese Pandas.

Graded or not, my disgust for what happened in the late 1980 and early 1990's has turned me off.

Give me something from Mexico any day, and I will smile.

One reason I might consider Pandas, is for the unlikely possibility of an occupation by the Chinese Govt at some point in the future (20+ years out). I had a very bad dream on this topic some years ago. In that nightmare, the Panda's could be helpful, or perhaps attract more trouble.

 

If I am not mistaken, the 2010 Lunar Tigers are a Perth Mint release, Australia. So I am not sure how that figures into how the Chinese feel about Chinese minted coins.

 

It is implied via the Chinese Calendar

 

I actually like the design of gold panda in some recent years but not from the earlier years, regardless of the mintage. However, it just seems most gold pandas on the market are "sealed in plastic", and I am a bit intimidated by that, because (1) with a plastic seal around it and with so many alleged fake panda I feel less assured about its authenticity; and (2) if I have to break the plastic seal, that may cost me some premium of the coin, and possibly the chance for re-sell, for example, APMEX website publishes buy back price for only sealed gold pandas. What a dilemma...

 

If its in sealed plastic, and you don't break it out....how's the next guy going to know if it is fake?

I bought one 2005 for $30. I liked the design, and thought one added to the collection wouldn't be a bad investment. The look is pristine and sharp. I doubt it is a counterfeit, but who knows. But I'm not going to bust it out of the plastic holder to find out. For one thing, if it were real, it might tarnish then. Let the next guy figure out if he thinks it is real and he wants it. I thought it was real and bought it...so it looks convincing either way.

 

This is actually an interesting concept, so maybe all the "next guys" will be forced to think this way if they get a plastic seal in the first place, and the game can just go on like this forever, ... until one day someone somehow breaks the seal and finds out about the truth...

 

I've taken all of mine out of their plastic sealed bags, but not out of the hard plastic capsule. Afraid that outer plastic may contain PVCs and that will harm the coin over time. They sell either way. The perpetual problem over these coins being fake harms them. Most are just bullion and not worth the time and money slabbing. They should be tested for content if thought to be fake and sent to the melting pot to end the problem while the Chinese Mint initiates a more secure and reliable coin program to repair their coins' image in the hobby and investing markets.