Canadian silver maples seem like the superior bullion vs ASE

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by Teh King of Ants, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. It seems that Canada invests in lots of Anti-Counterfeiting features for its bullion compared to ASEs and they are cheaper to boot as well. Why wont the US Mint modernise its bullion with all the counterfeiting going on? You would think with the high premiums they would spend some of that on R&D.

    I am surprised at how much thought goes into the CSM bullion. I have yet to see a fake CSM that passes for a 2014+ coin.
     
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  3. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Two words......milk spots.

    I will never buy another RCM product until proven these are solved. Way too many bullion pieces have lost all premium due to catastrophic defective workmanship.
     
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  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    While other bullion coins also spot (including ASEs), Canadian products are notorious for the spots and that does turn off plenty of people. However, if we’re looking at it as plain bullion (not as collectors but as someone who plans to sell at spot sometime in the future), then there may just be a compelling argument for the Maples.
     
  5. green18

    green18 Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Because the fakes are so obvious to the learned collector/investor.......
     
  6. myownprivy

    myownprivy Well-Known Member

    Agreed 100%. Silver Maples are near impossible to counterfeit and therefore easier to authenticate. They carry lower premiums. Buy back margins are close to the same as ASE, or better in some parts of the world or areas in the U.S. I also find the design better and prefer the slightly smaller diameter.

    Plus, for those who care about appearance, as of 2018, RCM bullion coins are much less prone to milk spotting.
     
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  7. Yeah I buy for bullion purposes. You can get tubes of 25 on specials for small premiums over spot. So far i have not seen any spotting on coins even 3 years old. I do store my bullion in these clear stackable airtight containers along with dessicant and anti tarnish strips. I wonder if the Milk spots form from exposure to semihumid air? Yeah the spreads on ASEs are not great.
     
  8. Yeah but after the nuclear wars regular vendors will trust Canadian coins more because of the anti counterfeit features. The people with ASEs will get less for barter, where 1 CSM gets you a goat you might need 2 ASEs for trade.
     
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  9. myownprivy

    myownprivy Well-Known Member

    I'll be buying slaves with my bullion after the apocalypse.
     
  10. green18

    green18 Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Who the devil cares? I'll be dead and gone.......someone else's problem to deal with.
     
  11. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Come on people, we our talking about a bullion coin here, so does it
    Have to look pretty too....LOL
     
  12. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    No after nuclear wars no one will care about any of your bullion. Whatever medicine is left, ammo, weapons, food, water ect will be all that people care about. No one is going to sell you food or water for silver when the world just came to an end as we know it and we don't even have power anymore. Tobacco and alcohol will actually be much more desirable than bullion

    Buy it if you want, collect it ect do whatever, but this notion that if society fell apart or after a nuclear war it would be great to have is so far off of reality
     
  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    No I didn’t because that’s not the most likely senrio. Barring some massive event like Yellowstone erupting the dollar isn’t going to collapse in anyone’s life time alive.

    Greece is in no way a comparable.

    And again if it actually did collapse metals will be worthless, guns/food/ammo/medicine will be what matters
     
  14. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    So, let's compare:
    1 - Marked .9999 fine silver coin with anti-counterfeiting devices at a lower premium
    or
    2 - Unmarked .999 fine silver (not marked as .999 fine on the coin) with 0.03% copper added (for hardening - FYI, not enough to do the job - thanks Congress), and sold at a higher premium - about $1 more than no. 1.
     
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  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I never have understood doomsday predictions. Like others have said, pm will be valueless versus seeds, clean water, weapons, etc. It is so far fetched to seem not worthy of preparation.

    The real scenario is like Venezuela. The scenario which I say is plausible is your country going to heck, and pm is helpful to fund your way out to somewhere better. They helped white russians fleeing communists, chinese nationalist fleeing Mao, and many people fleeing Nazis. Portable, universal wealth is simply not a horrible thing to have stashed away on the long odds you may need it. This, and how a small amount will lower the beta of a balanced portfolio is why I tell people I buy pm.

    Real reason? I find older coins made of pm shiny and pretty, and I like owning them. :)
     
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  16. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    We are no where even close to a Greece scenario. The Greenback may have its problems but it is still the "goto" currency and it will be for many many years to come. While a dollar collapse may the "stackers dream", it is just not probable.
     
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  17. CasualAg$

    CasualAg$ Corvid Minions Collecting

    I just added some 2018 Silver Maples to my stack. They are beautiful coins and I also like the anti-counterfeit device. When I picked them up I had a few coins run thru the RCM machine and some sort of x-ray box. It adds a level of confidence to a bullion purchase. The lower premiums are attractive compared the ASE, too.

    If the U.S. Mint took some anti-counterfeiting measures the higher add-on premiums are still a deterrent. Even Sunshine Mint has a verification device on their bullion (dunno what it is but it’s like a secret decoder).
     
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  18. CasualAg$

    CasualAg$ Corvid Minions Collecting

    BTW @King of Ants, I expect post-apocalyptic goats to cost at least 5 oz. of silver due mutation increasing the animal’s size.

    The benefits of computerized verification will be largely unrealized under p-a conditions.
     
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  19. They really do offer a lot of bang for the buck plus they are actually more popular than ASEs outside of the US along with the Austrian Philharmonic bullion coins. And The 2018s are undergoing Dihydrogen Monoxide rinsing (mintguard) to reduce the probability of milkspots.

    They also offer the maple leafs in a 10 ounce size which I accidentally discovered a about 2 weeks ago. One of RCMs best kept secrets, not even disclosed on thier website.

    I have so much Canadian bullion I can probably say I am Canadian eh, and avoid a post Soviet Union collapse firing squad in Amerika 2049AD.
     
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  20. CasualAg$

    CasualAg$ Corvid Minions Collecting

    I’ll check out the 10-ouncers, thanks for that.

    I’d be 98 in 2049 so a firing squad won’t be needed, a hard sneeze would do me.
     
  21. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Keep the political Discussions out of the forum!! Read the rules, post(s) removed. Jim
     
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