Bullion against the stock market.

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Trying to compare the differences between bullion investing and the stock market is like comparing apples to oranges.
     
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  3. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Give me a price....in $$$. :D
     
  4. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    That's true I'd imagine except that markets seem to determine value (which is what I was asked that should be used to determine value) and the 'markets' are inherently corrupt so declared values must then also be corrupt.
     
  5. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    No they are not. You simply haven't studied this or dealt with financial markets or believe the leftist gobbledygook coming out of the mouths of Model Manequins and Lipstick Babes.:D

    Stocks are priced based on numerous factors, including P/E ratios..dividend yields....book value....comparables to other sector stocks...etc. Even there, there are disagreements: Consumer Staples stocks sell at 18-20x earnings and FANG stocks like NetFlix sell on average at about 50x earnings (or more).

    Markets change daily. When the interest rates that savers got at their local bank went up month after month in the 1970's...were the banks corrupt ? Or were they reacting to changing circumstances ?

    Price is NOT directly related or correlated to costs. That's not how a "fair" or "true" value or price is established. It CAN be an input, yes...but not the determinging factor.
     
  6. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Alright Sir. Why then are 'costs' all that we hear as an excuse to do everything under the sun if not reflective of price? I know, I know. Profit has to be some multiplier of investment in order for it to be 'WORTH' conducting at the outset. It's all 'market based' and it's all corrupt. Fictional values of everything except when it comes to paid labor. Too much labor cost and not enough profit. Sorry but it just doesn't add up and it can't because it's all fiction and not actual value. Labor ALWAYS costs too much. PROFIT can never be enough. I got it.
     
  7. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    You don't "get" it.

    Costs are an input into pricing but not the be all and end all. Then you whine about "fictional values." Then you throw in labor and say its all corrupt. o_O

    You're all over the map, you sound like a politician whaling about this and that without understanding what you are talking about.

    Have you ever looked at a balance sheet ? An income statement ? A statement of cash flows ?

    Those might be good places to start.:D
     
  8. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    So because a monthly mortgage was $50 a month 70 years ago (or more).....the price of silver is artificially low ?

    Got it !!! :D
     
  9. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    I'm saying value is artificially held down. The cost of living doesn't get held down. The multiplied profit isn't held down. I'm saying the fact that the actual numbers compared to each other are way out of whack because in part at least, they are fiction.
     
  10. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Give me some numbers....tell me what is being manipulated...you keep throwing out apples, oranges, and pineapples...and then saying that the Filet Mignon doesn't taste great.
     
  11. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    No you're saying Filet Mignon doesn't taste great, not me. Real numbers. Okay. How about some interval more in alignment with say, oh I don't know, minimum wage. When I was growing up, it was $2.65 an hour. Today? What is it? 7 something? That's a multiple of say 3? Oh wait. Profit multiplier now compared to then is what? 50 to every one? Okay. I'll pick somewhere in between, say a modest 10 times. That would put silver at about $80 an ounce. Where is it? Less than 20. Something strinks.
     
  12. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    First of all, the minimum wage is the government telling private employers how much to pay someone. It's not the free market, which determines profits. So yeah, the Minimum Wage hasn't kept up with inflation but that's something else and besides it's about the government MANDATING and TAKING from one group and giving to another.

    Would a minimum wage of $50/hour please you ? Would you care to guess how many people you "help" would be on the unemployment line ? :D

    Second, there is no "profit multiplier". Have you checked the profits from Wang Laboratories lately ? Smith-Corona Typewriters ? American Motors ? Nash Motors ?

    You think that just because 1 price input goes up that everything should go up. That's not how an economy works, pal....somethings go up, somethings go down.

    How would you like to be paying $5,000 for a 50" HDTV?

    How about paying $4,000 for a basic laptop ? $10,000 for a desktop PC ?

    How about $600 for sneakers ?

    $1,000 a month for cholesterol medication instead of $50/month ?
     
  13. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    How old are you ? What do you do for a living ? What did you major in college ?
     
  14. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    What does that have to do with anything? I'm old. Enough said.
     
  15. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    Couple of pages back, I ask to stop political posts, but a few continued. They will be on a break for while. Any continuation of such will be more severe. If you wish to talk about these things take my earlier suggestions. Thread also locked.
     
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