Bullion against the stock market.

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by CoinBlazer, Sep 26, 2019.

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  1. Rono

    Rono Senior Member

    Howdy,

    The Elder Baron Rothschild once state that to avoid economic calamity, one should have 1/3 of their wealth in securities, 1/3 in real estate and 1/3 in rare art.

    Please substitute whatever for 'rare art', but it's not Beanie Babies. Let's say it's rare coins and bullion.

    Run your own numbers buy expect to blow chunks - just saying.

    and so it goes,

    peace,

    rono
     
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  3. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Woe! The NSA circuits must be all whacked out today! All those double posts. LOL
     
  4. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Some would think that we're a lot closer than further away. I think the 'long time' is actually really short. All corrupt entities fall and corruption is everywhere these days.
     
  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Baron Rothschild is full of bull for anyone with a net worth less than a few hundred million.
     
  6. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Not happening. As someone with 30 years of financial market experience, I do this every day for 8 hours or more.
     
  7. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    That was when it took days to execute a stock or bond trade instead of a fraction of a second...and news from Europe took hours or days instead of seconds or minutes.

    I'm sure Baron Rothschild thought that Western Union was the futgure of communication, but I am pretty sure that the Internet and wireless are a bit faster today. :D
     
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  8. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

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  9. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Member

    When the realization of global warming hits like the dinosaurs stocks / current financial establishment will be toast / worthless. Deep down in their gut many more are realizing this.

    Stock up now with gold and silver, prepare your plan. Everybody knows the new world of work is a sham (Overseen by thug like little minions) which will eventually crash and burn. They can’t even pay people a decent living wage. Many have been lied to, downsized for decades. Develop your own angle for survival.
     
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  10. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I generally view metals as a hedge against a downturn in the equities markets. From my perspective, those analysts who are critics of metals should instead espouse balancing the risks of ones portfolio with them. If they don't, they are more likely hawkers of, or speculators in equities than they are true objective analysts.
     
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  11. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Most people have no problem with 5% or so of a portfolio being used for PMs.

    But those opposed are not "hawkers" or speculators. They ARE objective analysts who realize that $$$ are scarce for all but the super-wealthy and that in a time of low interest rates, putting 5-10% into an asset that yields nothing is not smart.
     
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  12. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Very morbid! :(
     
  13. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Professional Teenager

    I'm on that site!
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    As it has been for years, decades, centuries, millennia.
     
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  15. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    Manipulation is happening all the time. Just recently I think a few from JPMorgan were found guilty for "spoofing" precious metals.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/m...n-charged-with-market-manipulation-2019-09-16

    There's other articles out there on the subject from other trading houses. The gov't has been looking into this practice in all trading platforms.

    It's quite an interesting process. I used to follow large sells (stocks not PMs) from time to time and buy the dips (you just sit there watching a few stocks the buy/sell quantities and price fluctuations), to get out after it bounces back up which may be just a minute later. I wonder if the Sells were spoofed or not in order for that spoofer to buy, then sell a minute later LMAO
     
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  16. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Alot of this manipulation is just trading anomalies. It can be price discovery....scalping of bids....or more nefarious activity....but whatever it is, it doesn't affect the long-term price (although central bank selling/manipulation can do that for a time).
     
  17. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Your link infers fraud in the precious metals industry and although it isn't quite what I was thinking about when I made my comment about manipulation but it's close enough. The kind of fraud I was thinking about was more of a purposeful and blatant manipulation of metal values. The idea of purposefully holding down values in order to encourage people to sell their wares rather than holding onto them thinking that they ought to cash out now while the gettin' is good, only to have values spike sometime in the future for buyers and simultaneously make available to those buyers an increased availability of metals to those buyers (big boy buyers). In other words, fraud. The kind of fraud that has plagued our society and has so become the 'norm' of 'business'. Fraud that intentionally deceives others for the purposes of mega profit. That may be 'business' but it's dishonest at its core and it's one of the main reasons our society is virtually doomed to implode. We're supposed to believe in artificial numbers and trust in a valueless mass of worthless paper backed by nothing, representing absolutely nothing. It's crazy.
     
  18. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Biggest fraud was the U.S. government confiscating gold in 1933 and then revaluing it UP.

    No individual company or couple of idiots "spoofing" can really affect the long-term price or value of an asset. Were they also HELPING consumers of the commodities in question ?
     
  19. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Fraud us fraud, no matter the intent. I just wish (silly I know, wishing) less of it were so apparent. Value is always in the eye of the beholder but purposeful manipulation we can do without and we need to straighten up and fly right if this system is to continue. Then again, it may need to crash in order to arrive at something more honest. When value corresponds to wages more uniformly, I'll believe more easily what actual value represents versus blatantly manipulated things such as precious metals and what they are supposed to be valued at. I question everything and I believe little coming from this corrupt system of bs. Just sayin' If they say up, I'll go down. If they say right, it's likely to be left. If they say black, I'll bet white. Everything is manipulated these days but most definitely precious metals values. It would be nice to know the 'true' value of things rather than an apparent trend specified by something represent by the 'markets' to be valuable.
     
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  20. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    The "true value" is the current market price. :D

    You may think it SHOULD be higher...and maybe down the line it WILL be higher...that's why people buy and sell stuff.

    But what someone considers "true value" or a "fair price" will vary from person to person.

    Let me ask you....if you think silver and/or gold are "manipulated"...what do you think the "fair price" for them should be ?
     
  21. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    The FAIR price (to me and that's what you asked) would be the TRUE value weighed against the apparent value. Simply the value weighed against actual costs and the actual monies used towards the labor it took to produce these commodities versus popular gambling trends in fashion this particular week and whatever multiplier of profit that's popular this week.
     
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