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<p>[QUOTE="Prime Mover, post: 2753627, member: 38783"]Ok so let me take a stab at your post, see if I can make some sense.</p><p><br /></p><p>First off, Bitcoin, or any crypto-currency, is dangerous. You are right, there is reason to be concerned. I believe the main point is that it's a black-box, it's Tech Voodoo Magic to those who don't/can't understand its underpinnings. The second is that also due to not understanding it, people see the hype and buy into it without learning anything about it, just like buying a stock on the hype only to have it fall and los your shirt.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, that out of the way, let's dive into some of the other things.</p><p><br /></p><p>I personally don't believe it's main usefulness is in being an alternate every-day currentcy. It can't function in that vein today, as its valuations fluctuate too wildly. Maybe it will get that stable, maybe not, time will tell. Only if it does become stable will it be useful as a currency, not before.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe its usefulness is:</p><p>- Speed & transaction cost. You can send money to anywhere in a matter of minutes, with very low transaction fees.</p><p>- Accountability / auditability. Build upon the above by knowing that your transaction, and all transactions are held in the Blockchain. It is simply provable that address "A" sent funds to address "B", by just looking at the transaction list in the Blockchain. And, that your transaction has to be verified by 6 different parties to be fully "confirmed" and considered finished.</p><p>- Security. Your funds, transactions, everything is protected by unbreakable (by today's standards) encryption. No middle man attacks, no intercepts, your funds go exactly where you want them to. And, as processing power increases, the software and encryption standards will adapt, increasing to keep pace.</p><p>- Semi-anonymity. People believing any crypto currency with a publicly available block chain is completely anonymous are sadly mistaken. EVERY transaction is publicly browseable, so you can for sure follow the trail if you know the addresses involved. If you can successfully associate an address with a person, you can see their complete transaction history and hold them legally accountable.</p><p>- De-centralization, independence. Bitcoin has no owner, it has no government backing it. To those that use it, that is a positive. You can buy Bitcoin in US fiat, send it to someone in Japan, they can cash it out in Yen immediately. No conversion fees, no hassle, same value.</p><p>- Self-empowerment. YOU are the bank, you hold your own funds, and can transact with anyone, anywhere. For those who have fear of banking, large institutions, etc (agree with them or not), it's perfect.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, moving onto what makes Bitcoin "valuable" in terms of actual fiat.</p><p><br /></p><p>You are correct in that there is no one who "owns" Bitcoin, and no one who backs it. This is a large red flag to any traditional economic understanding and basis. This is what throws most for a loop, and why there is so much angst about why is it valuable, and why does it have value when there's nothing behind it giving it intrinsic value.</p><p><br /></p><p>To me, the simple answer is that the value lies in what it can do, what it can be, and the ideology of what it represents. Hey, it's a hippie currency, go figure! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah, take that one in. It really defies logic.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a much larger part of it, which will have to go into another post, this one is already too long.</p><p><br /></p><p>But, there is a cost to "mine" Bitcoin, transact it, store it, etc. It is a self-contained cyclical system which feeds itself.</p><p><br /></p><p>Oh, and last part is that there's only 21,000,000 full Bitcoins which will ever exist (yes, they can be split up into much smaller fragments), so it is a fixed supply which can drive price. Only 2/3 have been mined and the last one won't be mined until 2140, on a fixed release schedule that is determined by the algorithms within the software.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Prime Mover, post: 2753627, member: 38783"]Ok so let me take a stab at your post, see if I can make some sense. First off, Bitcoin, or any crypto-currency, is dangerous. You are right, there is reason to be concerned. I believe the main point is that it's a black-box, it's Tech Voodoo Magic to those who don't/can't understand its underpinnings. The second is that also due to not understanding it, people see the hype and buy into it without learning anything about it, just like buying a stock on the hype only to have it fall and los your shirt. So, that out of the way, let's dive into some of the other things. I personally don't believe it's main usefulness is in being an alternate every-day currentcy. It can't function in that vein today, as its valuations fluctuate too wildly. Maybe it will get that stable, maybe not, time will tell. Only if it does become stable will it be useful as a currency, not before. I believe its usefulness is: - Speed & transaction cost. You can send money to anywhere in a matter of minutes, with very low transaction fees. - Accountability / auditability. Build upon the above by knowing that your transaction, and all transactions are held in the Blockchain. It is simply provable that address "A" sent funds to address "B", by just looking at the transaction list in the Blockchain. And, that your transaction has to be verified by 6 different parties to be fully "confirmed" and considered finished. - Security. Your funds, transactions, everything is protected by unbreakable (by today's standards) encryption. No middle man attacks, no intercepts, your funds go exactly where you want them to. And, as processing power increases, the software and encryption standards will adapt, increasing to keep pace. - Semi-anonymity. People believing any crypto currency with a publicly available block chain is completely anonymous are sadly mistaken. EVERY transaction is publicly browseable, so you can for sure follow the trail if you know the addresses involved. If you can successfully associate an address with a person, you can see their complete transaction history and hold them legally accountable. - De-centralization, independence. Bitcoin has no owner, it has no government backing it. To those that use it, that is a positive. You can buy Bitcoin in US fiat, send it to someone in Japan, they can cash it out in Yen immediately. No conversion fees, no hassle, same value. - Self-empowerment. YOU are the bank, you hold your own funds, and can transact with anyone, anywhere. For those who have fear of banking, large institutions, etc (agree with them or not), it's perfect. Now, moving onto what makes Bitcoin "valuable" in terms of actual fiat. You are correct in that there is no one who "owns" Bitcoin, and no one who backs it. This is a large red flag to any traditional economic understanding and basis. This is what throws most for a loop, and why there is so much angst about why is it valuable, and why does it have value when there's nothing behind it giving it intrinsic value. To me, the simple answer is that the value lies in what it can do, what it can be, and the ideology of what it represents. Hey, it's a hippie currency, go figure! :) Yeah, take that one in. It really defies logic. This is a much larger part of it, which will have to go into another post, this one is already too long. But, there is a cost to "mine" Bitcoin, transact it, store it, etc. It is a self-contained cyclical system which feeds itself. Oh, and last part is that there's only 21,000,000 full Bitcoins which will ever exist (yes, they can be split up into much smaller fragments), so it is a fixed supply which can drive price. Only 2/3 have been mined and the last one won't be mined until 2140, on a fixed release schedule that is determined by the algorithms within the software.[/QUOTE]
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