As of today officially out of the stock market, buying BTC and PM,S

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by mpcusa, Feb 24, 2022.

  1. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    They're used interchangeably. The "rates" the Fed controls are the Fed Funds Rate and probably the 2-year Treasury Note yield which is most sensitive to the Fed Funds and futures market for Feds Funds.

    Rates can also refer to the fixed coupon on a bond that does NOT change....but the yield does change as the bond price rises or falls.
    Yup, except rates on a %-basis already quadrupled on the short end and nearly doubled at the longer end. Unless they are going to 8-10% a year from now, the rate of change has to slow (a losing bet from 1970-1981 :D).
    You should buy the flagship bond funds of big mutual fund families to start out. I own other, higher-yielding funds that sometimes invest in riskier bonds or use leverage -- wait on them. :D

    I like the DoubleLine flagship fund DBLTX run by modern Bond King Jeff Gundlach....also his West Coast competitor PIMCO's PONAX fund that also yields over 4%. The Dodge & Cox Income Fund DODIX is also a conservative bond fund.

    Most bond funds will have large holdings of mortgage-backed securities (MBS) because the spread (the bonus yield above risk-free treasuries) is pretty high right now. It's also high for corporate bonds.

    As always, do your own DD and know what you are buying. But bonds are generally a low-risk investment and having already taken a shellacking in 2022, most of the risk is out of them....unless you think the 1970's and Jimmy Carter are around the corner. :D
     
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  3. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Asset Allocation Funds hold stocks and bonds for a set retirement age/date....like 2050. This could be a "chicken" way for you to dip your toes into bonds with a mix of something you have already bought (equities).

    With 28 years to retirement, I would expect a typical fund (they're all different) to have like 80% stocks and maybe 20% bonds. But if you hold that fund for 20 years, then in 2042 it's probably going to be 50% stocks/50% bonds (maybe even more bonds)....the allocation to fixed income is supposed to go up as you approach the target date.

    This would have been a problem the last 5-10 years because the rates on bonds were so low (their price was HIGH) that even as you took years off the relative attractiveness of bonds didn't help allocations. Who wanted bonds in 2021 at record-low yields, right ?
     
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  4. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Thanks for your insight @GoldFinger1969
    Time to do my DD. I guess at this point I'll be jumping in after the midterms. Unless that gets postponed due to 'technical difficulties' like the Powerball was. :rolleyes:
     
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  5. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    28 years to Retirement......I I I would just jump off a cliff !!
     
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  6. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    You can run anything by me here or PM me. Happy to help.

    I am a CFA and CFP, FWIW. :D
     
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  7. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

  8. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    Just don't tell
    mpcusa and it will be okay!!
     
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  9. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Now BitCoin down 12% after erasing lots of losses.:rage:

    You'd need Warren Buffet to give the sector credibility...having non-name "deep pockets" bail out weaker sisters doesn't inspire confidence.

    Caveat Emptor :(
     
  10. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    How come every time it goes down I make money..LOL

    I think that is a great misconception when it comes to BTC, if you invest
    the traditional way, buy and wait until
    it goes up or down, I think people become a little postal, we all know
    that BTC prices change every few
    seconds so trading with in a scope of
    time is the secret, but I spend a good
    6 to 8 hours a day so it doesn’t come
    with out hard work, is what the work produces :) was able to score this
    2015 Krugerrand, which is on the
    less common side, the rand refinery
    stopped releasing data on there
    mintages in 2014, so you just need
    to see what’s out there, right now
    not much, once I get held up on
    the B/U,s will be looking to get some
    proofs even a more daunting task
    most have a mintage of less then
    10,000 world wide !
     
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  11. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

  12. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

  13. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Here’s a snap shot so far of my BTC GOLD FOAM as it relates to my Krugerrand’s there’s approx 53 coins
    over all not including proofs and special
    additions, I am to 10 right now and will
    probably focus on this area unless I
    see a good liberty or saint to buy :)
     
  14. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

  15. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    MPC, I'm glad you are making $$$.

    I'm more focused on the financial implications of this niche sector and the fallout effects.
     
  16. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Please add another dollar sign or two, three isnt enough...LOL, was hoping for a
    big up tick in the stock market but those were snatched away, late this evening
    I just cant believe that people hare satisfied with the current economic situation,
    oh well I did my part :)
     
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  17. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    Thats awesome collection there .. jealous but you said Hard work like putting in a dozen cross ties or switch ties by hand that's hard work Son, not sitting around mashing you sack for 6 hours. maybe mental work exhaustion. The only Postal person I know is Collecting Nut he retired from USPS Service and is still opening packages that he delivered to himself.
     
  18. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

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  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Apparently people can be dissatisfied with multiple things at the same time. :rolleyes:
     
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  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'd be happy to take 6% of nothing if I knew I could sell it for a few hundred million.

    My stock holdings are all just numbers in various accounting ledgers, too -- but even after the recent declines, they're still "worth" a good bit. I just hope they still are when retirement time comes.
     
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