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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 8229582, member: 13650"]There was huge opportunity in 2008. I sold some shares of Autozone at $150 a piece that I had held onto for about 8 years. Figured that was as strong as it gets for them. Now that they went to over $2k a share, I try not to think about it. Ford was down to a $1 that year. Didn't know if the big 3 were going to make it. </p><p> My portfolio is down about 5% since the year started. I keep putting money in and it keeps dropping daily. Mostly based on S&P performance. </p><p><br /></p><p> I love PMs but have to say they've been the biggest disappointment investment wise. <b>In 2010 silver was $24 an ounce. In 2022 silver is $24 an ounce. </b> The premium you pay for physical over the cash price you will get when you sell is ridiculous and difficult to overcome without major upward movement.</p><p><br /></p><p> The national debt was around 20 trillion then. It's over 30 trillion today. Inflation is running rampant. Saw a chart today that showed overall costs for a family of two based off of government printed statistics, HUD, USDA, dept of energy, averaged out over the entire US...... costs have went up 36% overall in the last 14 months for a family of two. That was including average rents, groceries, utilities, phone, internet, used car payment,car insurance and gasoline. No entertainment. So if you needed $15 an hour just to survive at the end of 2020 you need to be making $21 an hour now to have the same lifestyle. Officially they say inflation was 7%, the chart said its 36%. If it's off by 15% in error, it's still a staggering number in 14 months!</p><p><br /></p><p> PMs have been lifeless through all this and I suspect it's because SO much has been dumped into and tied up in the crypto market. When you start talking trillions tied up in how many different cryptos with everybody thinking, THEIRs is the one everybody is going to flock to.......some day in the future! , when everyone interested in it is already in one, that's a lot of money off the table. And most of them never sell because they're too afraid of missing gains! So there's never any actual profit realized. I heard of one called Hex that penalizes you for selling so nobody wants to sell! (Except the founder of course)</p><p><br /></p><p> To me things are waaaay way too fragile to trust holding any value in that garbage. Some people have way too much money to throw away IMO. People have lost so much bitcoin on hard drives that are unrecoverable when times are good. A lot of things could happen that would cause that stuff to disappear overnight or you simply can't gain access to it anymore. If you don't hold it, you don't own it. The stock market is risky enough and now you add crypto to the mix. It's spreading all the inflated investment money extremely thin. If it didn't exist, I suspect PMs would be sky high right now. I don't care what they do, I'm just offering my opinion of how I see it. The governments don't like crypto but i'm sure they love the vacuum of taking all that money out of the system so it doesn't actually show up and cause more inflation.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 8229582, member: 13650"]There was huge opportunity in 2008. I sold some shares of Autozone at $150 a piece that I had held onto for about 8 years. Figured that was as strong as it gets for them. Now that they went to over $2k a share, I try not to think about it. Ford was down to a $1 that year. Didn't know if the big 3 were going to make it. My portfolio is down about 5% since the year started. I keep putting money in and it keeps dropping daily. Mostly based on S&P performance. I love PMs but have to say they've been the biggest disappointment investment wise. [B]In 2010 silver was $24 an ounce. In 2022 silver is $24 an ounce. [/B] The premium you pay for physical over the cash price you will get when you sell is ridiculous and difficult to overcome without major upward movement. The national debt was around 20 trillion then. It's over 30 trillion today. Inflation is running rampant. Saw a chart today that showed overall costs for a family of two based off of government printed statistics, HUD, USDA, dept of energy, averaged out over the entire US...... costs have went up 36% overall in the last 14 months for a family of two. That was including average rents, groceries, utilities, phone, internet, used car payment,car insurance and gasoline. No entertainment. So if you needed $15 an hour just to survive at the end of 2020 you need to be making $21 an hour now to have the same lifestyle. Officially they say inflation was 7%, the chart said its 36%. If it's off by 15% in error, it's still a staggering number in 14 months! PMs have been lifeless through all this and I suspect it's because SO much has been dumped into and tied up in the crypto market. When you start talking trillions tied up in how many different cryptos with everybody thinking, THEIRs is the one everybody is going to flock to.......some day in the future! , when everyone interested in it is already in one, that's a lot of money off the table. And most of them never sell because they're too afraid of missing gains! So there's never any actual profit realized. I heard of one called Hex that penalizes you for selling so nobody wants to sell! (Except the founder of course) To me things are waaaay way too fragile to trust holding any value in that garbage. Some people have way too much money to throw away IMO. People have lost so much bitcoin on hard drives that are unrecoverable when times are good. A lot of things could happen that would cause that stuff to disappear overnight or you simply can't gain access to it anymore. If you don't hold it, you don't own it. The stock market is risky enough and now you add crypto to the mix. It's spreading all the inflated investment money extremely thin. If it didn't exist, I suspect PMs would be sky high right now. I don't care what they do, I'm just offering my opinion of how I see it. The governments don't like crypto but i'm sure they love the vacuum of taking all that money out of the system so it doesn't actually show up and cause more inflation.[/QUOTE]
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