Featured A Thread Honoring “Campgates.” Post Yours!

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  1. jamesicus

    jamesicus Supporter! Supporter

    RIC VII, London, Crispus, No. 295

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    • Reduced weight follis - 324 to 325
    • O: Crispus laureate and cuirassed bust right - FL IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES
    • R: Campgate surmounted by star and globes - PROVIDENTIAE CAESS - PLON (exergue)
    RIC VII, London, Constantine II, No. 296
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    • Reduced weight follis - 324 to 325
    • O: Constantine II laureate and cuirassed bust right - CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C
    • R: Campgate surmounted by star and globes - PROVIDENTIAE CAESS - PLON (exergue)
    RIC VII, London, Constantius II, No. 297
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    • Reduced weight follis - 324 to 325
    • O: Constantius II laureate and cuirassed bust right - FLA CONSTANTIVS NOB C
    • R: Campgate surmounted by star and globes - PROVIDENTIAE CAESS - PLON (exergue)
     
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  3. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Supporter

    Constantius II Trier Mint 1C4BDD93-0B49-424F-ACD8-50E757ED97F0.jpeg D39A4D62-3475-4472-A32A-B0EC2FB58ED9.jpeg From JA auction.
     
  4. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    Those provincial gates are really great. I was hoping someone would post some of those types of reverses for comparison. Nice additions @lrbguy !

    The large Galerius is fantastic as well.

    Haha. Way cool “earthquake” Follis!
     
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  5. Jims Coins

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    Here is the Campgate for Constantius II, as Caesar.
    Minted at Cyzicus between 326-327 A.D.
    Obv.: FL.IVL.CONSTANTIVS.NOB.C. Laureate, draped & cuirassed bust left.
    Rev.: PROVIDEN-TIAE.CAESS.: Campgate with 6 rows, two turrets, no doors, star above, top & bottom rows empty blocks. RICVII #48 JQA-62 REV1.jpg JQA-62 OBV1.jpg
     
  6. Jims Coins

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    Valentinian II AE4
    minted at Thessalonica between 383-388 A.D.
    Obv.: D.N.VALENTINIANVS.IVN.P.F.AVG.: Pearl diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right.
    Rev.: GLORIAE.REIPVBLICE.: Campgate with A in left field.
    RICIX #62a. KEE-356 OBV.jpg KEE-356 REV.jpg
     
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  7. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    I've shown this before but it's one of the top 10 favorite coins in my collection.

    Constantine Closed Door Campgate, Rome mint:

    Constantine Closed Door CG.jpg
     
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  8. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I only have a couple of campgates, but I can't wait for more. I'm liking this mint set idea, so perhaps a mint set of campgates. :)

    I like the neck bumps on this Constantius II :D
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    And here's baby Constantine II.
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  9. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    Just some varieties with few layers of stone, many layers, decoration on top and below; one with a plinth. There are many varieties.

    Frans VII Heraclea 078 Constantius II Caes Campgate 12 nr 1532.jpg VII Siscia 203 Constantius Caes campgate 12-1538.jpg VII Thessalonika unlisted campgate Constantinus II caes 12 nr 514.jpg 12 nr 204 Constantinus I Aug campgate Thess 154.jpg
     
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  10. Valens

    Valens Well-Known Member

    And this is my Constantius II, Flavius Victor and 2 Valentinian III [​IMG]
     
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  11. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

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  12. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Just you shut the front... Gate! As always, excellent coin and another insane thread @Curtisimo!
    Man am I late to the party:eek: was on a nice little vacation and couldn't get any pics to post.
    Like the French say, bettar late than stuck outside zee gate (they do NOTsay that):

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    Constantius II
    As Caesar, AD 324-337. Æ Follis, Treveri (Trier) mint. Struck AD 326. Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust left / Camp-gate with two turrets and no door; star above; PTR(pellet-within-crescent). RIC VII 480; LRBC 29.


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    CONSTANTIUS II
    as Caesar. 324-337 AD. Æ Follis (20mm - 3.16 g). Cyzicus mint. Struck 326-327 AD. FL IVL CONSTANTIVS NOB C, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust left / PROVIDEN-TIAE CAESS, camp-gate with no doors and two turrets, star above; •SMKΔ•. RIC VII 48; LRBC 1183. VF, dark brown patina
     
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  13. 1827jim

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    After reading through some ideas in this thread concerning the globe on tripod seen on the campgate coins this is one idea I had to explain it:

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    Supposedly Archimedes attacked Roman vessels using a parabolic mirror detailed by the image above by settng fire to the boat..

    Was this concept taken by the Romans and used as a defensive weapon on the campgate structures ?

    From what I read the main issue with this weapon was the requirement for the focal point to be at a set distance to be effective in setting fire to enemy vessels.

    Did the Roman's see potential in using this type of weapon which was not effective against mobile targets like ships.

    BUT, when added to a static defensive position with a set focal could this be used as a weapon. I.e the long winding road to the campgate had preset focal points meaning when advancing forces reach a designated point on the approach they could unleash the parabolic mirrors.
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    http://www.unmuseum.org/burning_mirror.htm

    Could it be following a succesful attack on a fleet (if infact true) the romans adopted this unusual weapon as a static defense weapon.

    And we have mistaken the globe for a parabolic mirror?

    From what I read many argue over the fact of the use of these mirrors to burn a Roman vessel. Could it be this did actually happen and the tech was stolen and used as a defensive weapon.
     
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    Was the limitation of Archimedes mirror caused through being in fixed position on a single static post as detailed? And the Roman improvement was a tripod allowing the mirror to be moved in multiple directions to provide fire on all fronts or multiple preset focal points in the approach to the position.
     
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  16. 1827jim

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    Also possible Archimedes idea was taken and used for communications. To me that would be most logical.
     
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  17. 1827jim

    1827jim Member

    Bad news travels fast!

    If a new super weapon dubbed the death ray did exist I'm sure the barbaric tribes would think twice about rushing the fortifications.

    More importantly we would expect some written evidence explaining the use of said cylindical objects?
     
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  18. 1827jim

    1827jim Member

    List of ideas of possible explanations;
    - Communication devices, reflecting sunlight and or fire signaling.
    - Thermal weapons for sand or oil/water.
    - Parabolic mirrors.
    - water heater/storage gravity fed.
    - form of bell to struck to raise the alarm or communication.
    - Simple light fire pits to light up gate entrance.
    - Possible form of sun dial for time.
     
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  19. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    Quite interesting! Even if it didn't set flammable things ablaze, it could've been used to (temporarily) blind and widely disrupt attacks with the reflected bright light. Though, "smart" or observant attackers would be able to time their attack when the sun's rays are "uncatchable" in the mirrors on that side of the fort... Or wait for a cloudy day or simply until nightfall. Very intriguing though!
     
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  20. 1827jim

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    Steam for cannons?
     
  21. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Gee , you write big !
     
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