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<p>[QUOTE="Numismania, post: 1292562, member: 28971"]There is going to be such a flurry of submissions, the sets left in the OGP might very well fare better than the MS/PR 69 sets. That being said, if I do send my measly 4 sets in for grading (2 orders of 2 each), the cost of grading, insuring/shipping...if you score with a set of MS/PR 70's, it is WELL worth submitting. BUT, it's only going to be the set of MS/PR 70's that will do very well graded....I just see the OGP beating the price of MS/PR 69's. The fact so many will be sent in sealed from the mint, and the many that will be opened up for the 'cherrypickers' hoping their eyes are good enough and send in only sets they think will get 70's....I just have to believe there will be very few sets left intact, and those will sell for good $$. We all know there are ALOT of collectors that prefer their coins raw, and when it comes to special mint products, there are alot that like their products in the OGP, so I think the raw sets will have extended legs and retain there current levels, then run up once these are 'in-hand' (for instance, the 2009 Lincoln rolll sets, in mint packaging only, not rolls from the bank....those LP-1 sets, limited to just under 100,000...those were into the $100 plus range for a long time, and still fetch good $$...not bad for $8.99 ea originally), . You have to remember, those that are 'buying' these 'pre-sales' know they are rolling the dice, and realize that there's a chance they'll need the aid of Paypal to get their $$ back.....anyone buying these presales that don't use a CC with Paypal are nuts.....ANYONE sending in a money order is certifiable). It's well known that more than a small % of these pre-sales don't pan out. </p><p><br /></p><p>One pre-sale that I watched, it sold for $620 (maybe $640, but it was less than $650...it got some last minute action, rising over $100 in that last minute or so). Funny thing was, the seller originally had the item listed as a BIN for $495 (perhaps 1 1/2 days prior, probably listed right after he got his email confirmation from the mint), and naturally, thatwas snapped up for the $495. The seller was paid that same day.....however, apparently later that day, seller refunded the buyers $, realizing they were going to go for more $ (probably saw the listings after his was sold, realized he could make close to an extra $150), and hosed the first buyer. Seller got banged with a neg, naturally (and rightfully deserved....ebay should toss sellers that practice that). </p><p><br /></p><p>Once sellers have them in-hand, and the buyers know they are bidding/buying something that can be shipped immediately, I really believe the $600 sets now (assuming they are delivered) are still going to give the buyer room to make a decent profit re-flipping them. But again, with only 100,000 sets, there are going to be so many sent off the PCGS, NGC, ANACS andd ICG (I can't see using any TPG but PCGS or NGC for these), the OGP could/will be a better 'score' than a 69 graded set with no OGP. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Numismania, post: 1292562, member: 28971"]There is going to be such a flurry of submissions, the sets left in the OGP might very well fare better than the MS/PR 69 sets. That being said, if I do send my measly 4 sets in for grading (2 orders of 2 each), the cost of grading, insuring/shipping...if you score with a set of MS/PR 70's, it is WELL worth submitting. BUT, it's only going to be the set of MS/PR 70's that will do very well graded....I just see the OGP beating the price of MS/PR 69's. The fact so many will be sent in sealed from the mint, and the many that will be opened up for the 'cherrypickers' hoping their eyes are good enough and send in only sets they think will get 70's....I just have to believe there will be very few sets left intact, and those will sell for good $$. We all know there are ALOT of collectors that prefer their coins raw, and when it comes to special mint products, there are alot that like their products in the OGP, so I think the raw sets will have extended legs and retain there current levels, then run up once these are 'in-hand' (for instance, the 2009 Lincoln rolll sets, in mint packaging only, not rolls from the bank....those LP-1 sets, limited to just under 100,000...those were into the $100 plus range for a long time, and still fetch good $$...not bad for $8.99 ea originally), . You have to remember, those that are 'buying' these 'pre-sales' know they are rolling the dice, and realize that there's a chance they'll need the aid of Paypal to get their $$ back.....anyone buying these presales that don't use a CC with Paypal are nuts.....ANYONE sending in a money order is certifiable). It's well known that more than a small % of these pre-sales don't pan out. One pre-sale that I watched, it sold for $620 (maybe $640, but it was less than $650...it got some last minute action, rising over $100 in that last minute or so). Funny thing was, the seller originally had the item listed as a BIN for $495 (perhaps 1 1/2 days prior, probably listed right after he got his email confirmation from the mint), and naturally, thatwas snapped up for the $495. The seller was paid that same day.....however, apparently later that day, seller refunded the buyers $, realizing they were going to go for more $ (probably saw the listings after his was sold, realized he could make close to an extra $150), and hosed the first buyer. Seller got banged with a neg, naturally (and rightfully deserved....ebay should toss sellers that practice that). Once sellers have them in-hand, and the buyers know they are bidding/buying something that can be shipped immediately, I really believe the $600 sets now (assuming they are delivered) are still going to give the buyer room to make a decent profit re-flipping them. But again, with only 100,000 sets, there are going to be so many sent off the PCGS, NGC, ANACS andd ICG (I can't see using any TPG but PCGS or NGC for these), the OGP could/will be a better 'score' than a 69 graded set with no OGP. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
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