1937-D 3 Legged - Real? Cleaned? Grade? Fake? You judge.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by BNB Analytics, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. cherylkubucko

    cherylkubucko Grandma Froggie

    This is my opinion only, Buy the coin you want. You have to live with it or not. but does it really matter what we all say?

    I think this is what you wrote on the bottom.

    ("To find the true value of your investment be it coins or currency, research the current price people on the open market are willing to pay for it through internet sites like heritage.com, ebay, or even shows. Forget guides and dealer's opinions when it comes to getting the true value of your investment.")

    Good night, Cheryl
     
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  3. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    Should I add public's opinions to that too?

    lol..

    Well, you're right and the general tenor of most people on forums is one of overly cautious / highly skeptical / sometimes even borderline negative & preachy.

    I guess ppl have to be this way to protect themselves from all the fraud that goes around but I'm afraid some people just live in this fear that everything uncertified = bad or a bad idea.

    Sometimes we need a true expert to call a spade a spade and case closed.. but I notice instead we get lots of grey area, mystery, and uncertainty. Goes to show you, we all are students of the game. No one person is more know how than the other, unless it's Mark Feld ;)
     
  4. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Real, AU58 details, GENUINE, questionable color ( if your photos are color balanced).

    Jim

    Most people only look at the reverse. Significant identifiers also on the Obverse.
     
  5. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    BNB
    You have some very experienced folks here trying to help you. You must be willing to learn.
     
  6. Carl

    Carl Member

    looks real but clean, nice coin wish I had money to own one.Will you take payments?:hammer:

    Carl
     
  7. CentDime

    CentDime Coin Hoarder

    It looks buffed to me, I think PCGS would not grade it but I could be wrong.
     
  8. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    Based on the images, it looks like a genuine AU example that has been (lightly)cleaned.
     
  9. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Come on Jack,

    The charade is over. He figured it out! We don't really want to help him. We are all here to simply disagree with everything he says, tell him he is wrong, question his knowledge, and preach to satisfy our own egos.;):headbang:
     
  10. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    The coin has all the markers of a genuine example, but surface condition can't be assessed accurately from the images. By all means take 'calculated risks' if you like, I would rather know what I am getting and avoid the hassle of returns, standing in line at the Post Office, and so forth. True "rips" on raw coins exist on eBay, but are few and far between. Maybe the o.p. should look at a thread I started based on my own experiences: http://www.cointalk.com/t61651/

    As for the seller of the nickel under discussion, the feedback would give me some reason to pause: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=keydatecoin&Dirn=Received+by
     
  11. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    ......i guess it's just me but the pics are too small for me to comment on this coin.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    So, are you starting to understand now why I always say that people will believe what they want to believe ?
     
  13. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    Anyway, before I sent any payment I mentioned these concerns to the seller and he canceled my order saying the following:

    "I have decided to return your paypal payment for the item because I think it might be cleaned I can guarentee that its genuine because it has the proper diagnostics for a genuine 1937 d 3 legged but uncertain if it has been cleaned. I DONT THINK THIS COIN'S FOR YOU."


    So, there we go.
     
  14. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I am not surprised. Hastily looking through the seller's current offerings, a number of the ones presented as 'BU' or 'MS-something' are in my opinion cleaned and/or circulated.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Count your blessings.
     
  16. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I will agree with what the others have said. This is most definitely a genuine coin.

    That being said. It has most definitely been cleaned at some point as well and is upgradeable.

    You asked "why would someone clean a coin with that much detail?"

    Lets see...unattractive toning, subdued luster, dirt, because they like their coins "shiny", To try to fool people into thinking the coin is nicer then it is, PVC haze (some people scrub them because they dont know the proper way to get it off.) There are a bunch of reasons but it doesn't matter.

    There are some people here who I consider to be the crem della crem of the collecting world with more experience in their right foot then a lot of people have in their entire collecting experience.

    Your getting a lot of flack because you have posted a lot of coins in the past week. Personally I wouldn't own most of the coins you have posted unless they were at a large discount. We aren't trying to dog you, but I have seen a hundred guys with a bunch of money in their hand wanting to buy coins just throw it into the fire because they are all whizz and vinegar to buy some coins now. We are most definitely not here to try to dog you into submission, we are just trying to help you, and possibly save you a little money.
     
  17. BNB Analytics

    BNB Analytics New Member

    I think I've learned a very valuable lesson from this experience. I never would have learned it if I never made the attempt, so thank you all, for this very valuable nugget of wisdom. I was playing hardball with dealer from day one even though we have history. I asked him all the questions like "why isn't the coin certified" etc.. finally, he knew i wasn't a dummy. now the search continues for a slabbed nice shiny 1937-d 3 legger, 1909-s vdb, and finally.. a 1908 d no motto st. god bless
     
  18. BNB Analytics

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  19. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    I would say that price seems a little high. Scroll down on that page two 63s sold for less just a week ago, and gold was only a few bucks less.

    Lot Date Grade Service Realized Auction 1129, Lot 9268 Sunday, September 13, 2009 63 PCGS $1,552.50 Auction 1129, Lot 9267 Sunday, September 13, 2009 63 PCGS $1,495.00
     
  20. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Very nice!!!:kewl:
     
  21. ptvetter

    ptvetter Junior Member

    I agree real
    rear leg detail and under buffalo area have the right look
    please ignore wrong thread
     
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