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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4163334, member: 85693"]Great thread! I used to belong to Chopmark Collector's Club - I was really into chops for a long time. Mostly I do ancients nowadays.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, the OP looks fine to me. Not an expert, but I've handled quite a few of these over the years and nothing screams fake at me. </p><p><br /></p><p>As for "duplicate" chops on the same coin, I think this is a pretty common occurrence. As others noted, the Chinese merchants were handling a lot of these all the time and I doubt they were that careful. In any case, it would be easy to fake a chop. But who knows? I wasn't there.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a Lima 1799 with some chops (some duplicated):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1073587[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>There is a peculiarity about Lima 8 reales I've wondered about - some of them have tight, Mexico City-type flans. Others are considerably broader. Below is the 1799 (38 mm flan) to the right of a 1793 (40 mm flan). Note the reverse letter spacing, etc. Both of these have identical (!) weights: 26.56 grams. </p><p><br /></p><p>It seems the earlier dates were on broader flans? I have a 1791 that is also broad. The OP looks like the broader type flan, in keeping with an early date. Heck if I know...does anybody have information on this? </p><p><br /></p><p>The 1793 has been heavily polished, obviously. It also has large chops, which are a bit unusual for Charles IV 8 reales (this type chops is very common on later US and UK trade dollars, FIC piasters, Japanese Yen). </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1073593[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4163334, member: 85693"]Great thread! I used to belong to Chopmark Collector's Club - I was really into chops for a long time. Mostly I do ancients nowadays. Anyway, the OP looks fine to me. Not an expert, but I've handled quite a few of these over the years and nothing screams fake at me. As for "duplicate" chops on the same coin, I think this is a pretty common occurrence. As others noted, the Chinese merchants were handling a lot of these all the time and I doubt they were that careful. In any case, it would be easy to fake a chop. But who knows? I wasn't there. Here is a Lima 1799 with some chops (some duplicated): [ATTACH=full]1073587[/ATTACH] There is a peculiarity about Lima 8 reales I've wondered about - some of them have tight, Mexico City-type flans. Others are considerably broader. Below is the 1799 (38 mm flan) to the right of a 1793 (40 mm flan). Note the reverse letter spacing, etc. Both of these have identical (!) weights: 26.56 grams. It seems the earlier dates were on broader flans? I have a 1791 that is also broad. The OP looks like the broader type flan, in keeping with an early date. Heck if I know...does anybody have information on this? The 1793 has been heavily polished, obviously. It also has large chops, which are a bit unusual for Charles IV 8 reales (this type chops is very common on later US and UK trade dollars, FIC piasters, Japanese Yen). [ATTACH=full]1073593[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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