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<p>[QUOTE="ctrl, post: 1304109, member: 13378"]Don't see it. Maybe you have a custom browser that makes things up for you. My points have stayed the same. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>They don't lie or deceive, but doing HISTORICAL COMPARISONS with absolute numbers DOES deceive. I never said insignificant, I said "slight" difference, as in 3%, 3% of numbers that are estimates anyway. I also never said anything about 5 weeks or minimum wage, that was you. Yes that difference, if spread among individuals would be 5 weeks of minimum wage. So? It's a large number yes, but it's 3.5% of the national GDP. It was a counter-illustration to contrast.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You missed it then, let me copy & paste it for you:</p><p>"There are steps that can be taken (in most reasonable peoples' opinions that includes revenues). There are very clear reasons for how we went from a budget surplus to a huge deficit in a few years. Unpaid-for wars, huge tax cuts originally intended to return the surplus to people but now have somehow become sacred, out-of-control health care costs and a growing aging population. How people want to fix those things depends on people not being ideologically rigid, but realistic. "</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Agreed. My only point was that using absolute numbers doesn't lead to that conclusion. The debt could be at very large absolute numbers, but actually be quite manageable given the huge GDP of the country. That's what matters. </p><p><br /></p><p>Again: compare someone who makes $100 million per year and someone who makes $10,000 per year. Give them each $100,000 debt. You're saying that because the absolute number $100,000 is conceptually large, that it has the same meaning to both of those people?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ctrl, post: 1304109, member: 13378"]Don't see it. Maybe you have a custom browser that makes things up for you. My points have stayed the same. They don't lie or deceive, but doing HISTORICAL COMPARISONS with absolute numbers DOES deceive. I never said insignificant, I said "slight" difference, as in 3%, 3% of numbers that are estimates anyway. I also never said anything about 5 weeks or minimum wage, that was you. Yes that difference, if spread among individuals would be 5 weeks of minimum wage. So? It's a large number yes, but it's 3.5% of the national GDP. It was a counter-illustration to contrast. You missed it then, let me copy & paste it for you: "There are steps that can be taken (in most reasonable peoples' opinions that includes revenues). There are very clear reasons for how we went from a budget surplus to a huge deficit in a few years. Unpaid-for wars, huge tax cuts originally intended to return the surplus to people but now have somehow become sacred, out-of-control health care costs and a growing aging population. How people want to fix those things depends on people not being ideologically rigid, but realistic. " Agreed. My only point was that using absolute numbers doesn't lead to that conclusion. The debt could be at very large absolute numbers, but actually be quite manageable given the huge GDP of the country. That's what matters. Again: compare someone who makes $100 million per year and someone who makes $10,000 per year. Give them each $100,000 debt. You're saying that because the absolute number $100,000 is conceptually large, that it has the same meaning to both of those people?[/QUOTE]
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