Featured Ptolemaic hockey puck (or Eskimo Pie)

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

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  3. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    My largest coin (in diameter) is 44.5mm but only weights 32g.
    1923 Germany Weimar Republic 10,000 Mark Notgeld. I can't even put it in a flip. I have a hard time imagining what something the same diameter but 3x the weight would be like!
    1923 Westphalia 10000 Mark.jpg
     
  5. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Antiochus IV led a successful war against Ptolemy VI and Ptolemy VIII, and managed to capture most of the surrounding Egyptian countryside and was very close to capturing Alexandria if a Roman embassy hadn't stoped him. It's possible his "Egytanizing" coins were meant to celebrate his victory or to be used in the newly acquired province.
     
  6. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Wow some really heavy pieces of bronze posted here. Unfortunately, I don't own many bronze issues so my heaviest 'Ptolemy' would be this Cleopatra VII 80 drachmae at a mere 16.52 g.

    Cleopatra VII 80 Drachmae Obv.jpg

    Or this Octodrachm from Ptolemy III at 27.67 g.

    Ptolomy II Octo Obv.jpg

    Ptolomy II Octo Rev.jpg
     
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  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  8. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    Laying claim to a disputed territory. perhaps, or paying for state goods in a recognized medium.
     
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  9. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    Here's mine. Not so large, of course, and from an outlying district, Cyrene.
    AE 21 Ptolemy III Berenike II.

    Cyrene AE21 Ptol 3.jpg
     
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  10. AnYangMan

    AnYangMan Well-Known Member

    The 90.53 grams of this rough octobol (a cuprite patina only a collector of Chinese cash could love) is still a bit short of some of the true heavy weight octobols we have seen, but it does qualify for the official CoinTalk Octobol championship leaderboard™! :D

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    Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, Ptolemy III. AE Octobol (246-222 BC, Alexandria)
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Wow. Say that one out loud, three times, fast! ;)

    No- on second thought- don't. It would probably summon his vengeful mummy. :nailbiting:
     
  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Yes, and then the mummy will shout WEBEN! (rise) as he did in the Brendan Fraser movie The Mummy. Summoning the long dead from their slumber.
     
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  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Super fast transit of the coin, which surprises me. May show up today, even...Certainly unexpected these days!

    Updated on: Friday 18 September
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      Item Received ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS), United States of America
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      Item Received by Royal Mail LANGLEY HWDC
    Thursday 17 September
    1. 06:31pm
      Item Despatched to Heathrow Worldwide DC Romford MC
    Thursday 17 September
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      Item received at Romford MC
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Since folks have posted coins outside Egypt, I will toss in my Carthage Horse of a coin.

    I have posted this before, but it is the largest Hand-Stamped Ancient Coin (not a cast coin), in my collection... and, honestly, a 15-Shekel Coin (roughly 30 Denarii) is an odd denomination. I am not sure if they truly know its denomination, but this one is a "HORSE" of a Coin:

    These were minted after Hannibal was defeated by Scipio at the Battle of Zama in 202 BCE. Carthage was defeated and owed massive indemnity payments to Rome. Hannibal was asked to lead Carthage and reorganize their finances... This appears to be the largest denomination at 15 Shekels, and is my largest stamped coin...

    This guy is a huge BRONZE... 3+ Troy Ounces

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    Seller write-up:
    Carthage.
    Circa 201-175 BC.
    Æ 15 Shekels
    45 mm. dia. 7.5 mm. thick. 102.6 g
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Horse standing right; uraeus above.
    Ref: MAA 104 ; SNG Copenhagen 400.
    Comment: Original green patina.
    Note: The largest Carthaginian coin and likely one of the largest coins struck in antiquity.
    rare.

    This extraordinary large bronze coin was likely issued under the administration of Hannibal, who, following defeat at the battle of Zama, was appointed as chief magistrate of Carthage. Hannibal worked effectively to restore the finances of Carthage. The annual payment of 10,000 talents to Rome as reparations for the war, and the loss of control over the silver mines in Spain made the issuing of a silver coinage impossible. The immense thickness of this coin also precluded any significant relief of the die's impression
     
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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Interesting that Hannibal would issue such a coin. 102.6 grams!
     
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  16. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Yeah, good point. Why did he resort to this remarkable expedient? Where was the silver coming from, and how might the supply have been cut off? My first guess is Iberia, but I don't know what I'm talking about.
     
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  17. singig

    singig Well-Known Member

    a light heavyweight category compared to yours
    Ptolemy IV AE41 221 to 204 BC
    41 mm / 66.8 g
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  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Another lightweight:
    Ptolemy IV.jpg
    PTOLEMY IV
    AE36
    OBVERSE: Diademed head of Zeus Ammon right
    REVERSE: PTOLEMIAOU BASILEWS, eagle standing left on thunderbolt, looking back at cornucopiae under right wing
    Struck at Egypt 221-205 BC
    46.4g, 36mm
    SNG Cop 221
     
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    @ancient coin hunter and @+VGO.DVCKS ... a nut-shell History:

    After the First Punic War, Carthage had to pay indemnities to Rome. They ran out of money to pay their Mercenary army, and got tangled in a very severe and bloody war with their own Mercenaries.

    The Mercenary/Libyan War (241-237 BCE), was a very cruel war in which Hamilcar Barca, father of Hannibal, finally put down, albeit cruelly. Hamilcar later went on to Spain to gain control of the later vast silver mines from the Iberians, to bring riches to Carthage and to pay off the indemnities to Rome.

    Hannibal served with his father during the cruel Mercenary War, and the Barcid Family really began a hatred towards Rome.

    When the Barcids started “stirring up more trouble” with Rome in Spain, the excuse for a Second Punic War occurred. Eventually, Scipio wrested control of Spain from the Barcids and Carthage. Rome got the silver mines, and eventually won the 2nd Punic War after 16 years.

    Rome exacted even much greater indemnities on Carthage. Carthage had no more silver mines, probably what silver they had were going to Rome in the huge indemnities. Hence, Hannibal issuing huge AE coins, albeit few are left, for large transactions.

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    Carthage-LIBYAN UPRISING - Mercenaries issue
    Mercenary War 241-238 BCE
    7.36g AR DiShekel
    Melqart / Herakles Head in Lion's Head-
    Lion walking; Punic M above; LIBYA below
    R SNG Cop 240f
    Overstrike

    Coins were struck in the name of Libya and "M", which has been taken as either "machanat" - the Camp (of the mercenaries), or perhaps Matho, their leader
     
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  20. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @Alegandron, Thanks for this! Helped out. A Lot (...especially in a vacuum...).
     
  21. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    I showed them before, but here's a greeting from my three portly pucks:

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    Top and left, Ptolemy III; right, Ptolemy IV.
    Top: 46 mm, 92.26 gr.
    Left: 38 mm, 49.71 gr.
    Right: 40 mm, 67.12 gr.
     
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