ANOTHER overgraded PCGS Morgan

And when you asked me to post a circulated coin, I posted a 1915 Barber Half Dollar NGC G6. Guess you forgot about that huh?

 

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Apparently nothing I say to you, regardless of how well laid out and presented, will convince you to not blindly defer to PCGS, simply because you don’t believe I have the requisite knowledge to analyze coins in pictures. Thus, the obvious course of action is to call in someone who collects and studies early US gold exclusively since you will defer to their opinion over mine.

 

Which you bought and sold years ago

 

TPG grading is consistently inconsistant and always has been. Nowadays it has become heavily capitalized and even in some cases politicized. (PCGS noticeably favors Perth mint bullion coins) If you are buying and selling for profit you can make this work for you but a real collector will buy the coin, not the slab and all the capitalizing of slabbed coins makes collecting more and more of a rich man's game.

 

Right... I take it you didn’t even look at the pictures and compared the coins.

Well, you tried to demean my opinion by saying I had never seen examples of the coins I am discussing (as does every die-hard PCGS supporter), so I just wanted to let you know that your assumptions about my exposure were incorrect.

 

Your ignorance of interpreting Heritage photos on early gold is showing....but what do I know I've actually owned early gold and know how photos can easily wash out the luster on them.

False. But why let facts matter

 

Let’s see a photo and a video and everyone can be educated.

 

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

 

You asked for no such evidence when TypeCoin said he determine luster from Heritage “glamour shots”. IMO, you are only responding in this thread to troll Baseball21.

 

It’s rather simple, really. Just looks for brighter surfaces around the devices. That’s characteristic of luster.

 

Also, Stacks has seen many of these early US gold coins, yet they felt it prudent to mention the damage. Is that not a sign that it is an uncharacteristically high amount of damage for the grade

 

Typecoin has posted images and descriptions. Baseball has not posted a single image (in his entire span of being on this forum). If anything he is the troll as all we hear from him is the same defense based on the trust in a single entity. He talks a big game but never delivers-only deflects.

I’ve learned much more from @TypeCoin971793 posts than from baseball. Typecoin actually has his own opinions and thought out arguments instead of spewing the company line in every single post.

 

Hey @baseball21 !!! How come you aint appalled and all bent out of shape over this video?? Seems to me, since your big brother here posted it, its suddenly ok !?!?!
I posted an acronym last night-
Head
Numismatist
In
Charge

And I was a disgusting, miserable, racist !!

Furthermore, you clicked the like button for EVERY SINGLE ONE of Lehighs posts on that same page. So, dont try to pretend like you didnt watch that video. LMAO

 

I agree that it is overgraded. But I would not give it anything over at MS64, too much going on the the face and field.

 

First, I have already presented independent evidence of other meanings in "that context", so no; I didn't "know it". In fact, prior to this the only meaning I was aware of was "Hockey Night In Canada". Sorry, but I guess I'm not one of the cool kids.

Okay, since you're so concerned about context, let's actually think about this while setting emotion aside. Is Mr. Hall black? If so then it wouldn't be unreasonable to see the acronym as potentially having underlying racial connotations. However, if he's not then there's obviously no racial motivations behind its use. Logical consistency matters, even more than ever-precious words.

Now, since you wish to embrace the argumentum ad populum fallacy, let's take this one step further. If most indeed believe the offending acronym to have only one meaning in the context used, we must therefore explore why this is. From the best I can tell the two most famous uses of it come from a scene in the movie you linked used by Mr. Freeman, a black man, to describe his character. The other likely more common use (I assume, at least amongst the younger generation) is that of a rapper, again a black man seemingly using it to describe himself. It's probably safe to assume these men are not self-loathing racists, so if the accusation in question is valid we can only conclude that it's perfectly kosher for offending terms to be used openly and solely dependent upon the skin color (or the assumption of it) of the person using them which is, it itself, undeniably racist.

Still, I'll jump onboard the bandwagon and accept the offending acronym means only what you say even in the face of presented evidence to the contrary. However, in order to do so I must also accept the obvious fact that there was no underlying or implied racism in Heavy's use of it. Right or wrong it was clearly intended to mean "big cheese" or "head honcho", or any number of other wholly innocuous terms, but what fun would it be to simply accept this undeniable reality when we can smear others as being racist? Obtuse? Indeed.

No matter how pure our intentions may be, we all would be wise to acknowledge the fact that we're fast creating an uncontrollable monster by pretending we somehow know, without question, what's in the hearts of others and/or what certain words/terms mean to them. This time it may be the other guy shouldering the fallout, but next time it might hit a little closer to home. Spin as you wish or see fit.

 

Another 100 percent false statement. The best part is I've even posted a number of photos in your own threads but this is how badly you have now resorted to trolling

The only trolls here are the group of you "forum experts" who are jacks of all trades and masters of none. Maybe it's ego, maybe it's an anti expert agenda, possibly a combination of both. Whatever it is though you guys go into troll mode when the tinfoil hat theories are disavowed and the chest thumping really comes out when you guys get corrected.

Like I said I won't be spending any time trying to educate anyone in your little group. I will every now and then correct egregious comments, but I won't be going out of my way to help any of you.

 

No you didn't, you would have typed that and it took you a full day to come up with that to cover yourself. If you had actually meant that that would have been your first response which you responded several times. Nice try though, glad you guys were able to think of something to try and cover for you.

 

Ok let's edit that; in your entire history of posting images, there are 6 total coins. All PCGS Tru-Views. What was @Lehigh96 saying about Tru-Views? You have not posted anything that "accurately reflect(s) the actual appearance of a coin."

Plus I have to give credit for some random memes from online. So I retract that you have never posted an image.


https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-toning-premium-thread-part-2.299570/page-116#post-2889727

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-details-discount-thread.301855/page-8#post-2843660

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-toning-premium-thread-part-2.299570/page-7#post-2798961

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/world-coins-your-newest-acquisition.165399/page-367#post-2431356

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/which-seated-coin-to-start-a-dansco-on.277852/#post-2405533

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https://www.cointalk.com/threads/2017-college-football.302356/page-10#post-2926249

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ic...-grading-services.317574/page-10#post-3105450

 

The only trolls here are the group of you "big boy experts" who are jacks of all the inner workings of the TPGs. Maybe it's ego, maybe it's an I'm holier than thou mentality, possibly a combination of both. Whatever it is though you guys go into troll mode when the big boys are threatened and the chest thumping really comes out when you guys get corrected.

There fixed it for ya.

 

Why assume the risk? PCGS may offer a low payout or even call the damage so obvious as to render it a mechanical error. While I would vehemently disagree with the application of the mechanical error clause of the guarantee to this coin, David Hall posted on the PCGS forums that anything over graded by more than two intervals would be presumed a mechanical error. I'm sure it applies here too. You would need to be blind not to see the damage. Yes early, early federal coins often get free passes for minor issues. Stevie Wonder could see the problem with this one.