[Poll-7] #3 ancient coin hunter vs #30 TheRed (Round 1) CIT 2018

Welcome to Round 1 of CIT 2018! If you are unaware of the tournament I invite you to get caught up with all the fun on the following link:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it’s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/



I want to give a special thank you to the participants for volunteering to play the game. We have a great group of people here at CT.

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#3 @ancient coin hunter


Balbinus, AE Sestertius 238 A.D.
33mm, 22.9 grams; 12h, Rome mint - 1st emission
Obverse: IMP CAES D CAEL BALBINVS AVG, Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right
Reverse: COMCORDIA AVGG; Concordia seated left; holding patera and double cornucopia; SC in exergue
Reference: RIC IVb 22, p. 171

Price: $620

Why It’s Cool:
I like this coin because it was a pivotal time in history, and illustrative of the chaos of the time - CONCORDIA AVGG was just the exact opposite of what was going on so fake news, haha

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#30 @TheRed


Edward I AR Penny Long Cross type
Class 1c 1279 AD London mint.
18mm 1.42g
Obv: EDW REX ANGL' DNS HYB; Crowned facing bust.
Rev: CIVI TAS LON DON; Long cross three pellets in each quarter.
SCBC 1382

Price: $179

Why It’s Cool:
The Voided Long-Cross pennies of Henry III in circulation in England had become worn, clipped, and were generally in poor condition. Edward’s administration undertook a radical recoinage and produced a new penny unlike anything minted in England before and would set the pattern of English coinage for 200 years.

The appearance of the penny was greatly improved as compared to the short and voided long cross pennies of the old monarchs. Previously the images of the kings were made up of pellets, crescents, and strokes from a very limited range of punches used to engrave the dies. With Edward’s new coinage more advanced punches with well rendered features were used that gave the penny a higher artistic quality and more life-like portrait.

The legends of the penny also changed. Previously, the legend named the king, such as HENRICVS REX III, but with the new penny the legend expanded greatly. On the reverse,the name of the moneyer associated with each mint was removed from the penny. Instead, the name of the mint was all that was present. This was a radical change, as the moneyer’s name had appeared on the English penny since the 8th century when Offa first introduced the coin.

The new penny of Edward was a great success in England and was much admired throughout norther Europe where England had strong economic ties due to the wool trade. The English penny was of high quality and fine silver, unlike much of the coinage of the continent which was debased. Merchants from Flanders, Brabant, Hainaut, and other regions wanted the new English penny to conduct trade with England. In response, continental mints began producing their own copies. These coins, which became known as crockards and pollards, were often debased and lackedhigh silver content of their English rivals.

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A Gentle Reminder
We have had a remarkably fun and friendly tournament so far and I want to thank all of our members who have contributed and commented Let's continue to do a good job of keeping our tournament friendly! Instead of focusing comments too much on why you didn't vote for one coin over the other try to focus on why you did vote for the one you chose!

Remember that everyone gets 3 votes to choose which coin you think comes out on top in each of the three categories. With that I will open the floor to comments, pile-ons and shameless lobbying.

 

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@ancient coin hunter I like portrait on that Balbinus.

Great writeup @TheRed

Coincidentally I just read an article on "Crockards and Pollards". The portrait on the penny is fantastic.

Here is my Edward I penny


England, Plantagenet Kings
ND AR Penny Edward I 1272-1307 London
(19.1 mm 1.4 g)
Class III g, late “S”.
North 1022 S 1393
Purchased from H. J. Berk May 15, 2017
201stBid or Buy sale lot 516

 

Before I can vote I need more information. @TheRed, what is the attribution of your coin? (edited)-- I don't know medievals. Is there more than one Edward?

 

Good job guys! Like the Balbinus, and am learning much more about Medieval Histories. Hard for me to vote. Have lotsa thinkin'.

@TheRed , I assume yours is Eddie I The Munster?


England Edward I 1272-1307 AR Penny 19mm 1.3g Class 10c 1302-1310 Canterbury facing star - Voided long cross 3 pellets quarters North 1040
Ex: @Mat

Great job on the Balbinus Sestertius @ancient coin hunter . I have 4 of them in mine:

RI Balbinus 238 CE AR Denarius (4 Sestertii) 20mm 3.7g Rome Laureate draped cuirasses - Victory wreath palm RIC 8
Ex: @John Anthony

 

TheRed 's coin is:

Edward I
Class 1c
Spink 1382
North 1012

 

Ah, that is missing. The full attribution is:

Edward I AR Penny Long Cross type
Class 1c 1279 AD London mint.
18mm 1.42g
Obv: EDW REX ANGL' DNS HYB; Crowned facing bust.
Rev: CIVI TAS LON DON; Long cross three pellets in each quarter.
SCBC 1382

 

Thanks @Orfew

 

I'm with TIF wishing both of the contestants had included a bit more information for the benefit of those who do not know the coins. I also know that we can not include every bit of information we have on a subject without boring 99% of our readers. I have few medievals and only buy beginner coins at beginner prices because I am such a beginner. I don't have a Balbinus (sold my only one in 1974) but I do have an Edward (I hope, the First) and a coin struck while Balbinus was in power.

Edward 1 Penny Durham - I selected this one for the well aligned weakness on the portrait caused by the thin flan and metal used for the cross not to mention the fact that the seller discounted it for this fault.

Gordian III Caesar under Balbinus and Pupienus 238 AD Sestertius

 

I edited the OP to add this information. Thanks @TheRed and thank you to @TIF for raising the question.

 

@TheRed's coin has great eye appeal. I wish @ancient coin hunter had better images because I suspect it has great appeal too.

 

off course balbinus hunderd years older

 

I thought the same, so I added some light to the image. Hopefully, this is allowed. If not I will take it down.

 

Wow, hard to compare...wonderful coins. I was guided by the portrait in my selection.

 

Beautiful quality Balbinus @ancient coin hunter, and great Edward penny TheRed with a lot of history behind it. Just a question is the London mint the Tower or a seperate mint?

 

It is the Tower, or was until 1969.

 

Thanks for sprucing it up a bit @Bing !

 

Cool coins, both. Hard to decide between apples and oranges though !
Both are very good examples of their types

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Hello group... so I know I am late in announcing the results (long day yesterday ) and you all have my apologies for not bumping these matches yesterday as intended. Okay, so here are the results.

Results
#3 @ancient coin hunter - 55
#30 @TheRed - 131 Winner

Both contestants fared well in the eye appeal category with two VERY nice coins. TheRed comes out on top on the strength of his bargain and interest performance. A big thank you to both players.

@TheRed will advance to meet the winner of the @iamtiberius vs @MontCollector match up.

 

Thanks for the opportunity to participate in the fun tournament @Curtisimo - good luck to @TheRed in the next round.

 

Congratulations to both on a very interesting matchup.