Bullion VS Stocks

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by SCFY, Jul 2, 2013.

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  1. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    All right people, I want this to be a clean fight. I am asking people to put the gloves on and explain why Bullion or Stocks are a better investment in the long term. I don't want any diversification conversation in this battle. Pick a winner and explain why one is a safer bet long term. Let the battle begin and may the best Bullion/Stocks win.
     
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  3. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Bullion isn't an investment. It's a hedge against inflation. This isn't a valid question. Also, this should be in general discussion, since the question is related to comparing non-coin investments.

    Lastly, you sure do sound like Detecto, even if you say you aren't.
     
  4. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    North Korea, Bullion is a form of investment, that statement in itself makes no sense. I don't know who Detecto is but your getting annoying calling me someone else. Trust me I am not some guy named Detecto. The topic is not invalid, its only invalid to you since you don't see bullion as a investment. That's why I posted this topic for people to discuss it.
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would say its a pretty silly argument on the face of it. Its like saying which is better peanut butter or food? I consider pm to be an investment, just like I consider each individual stock an investment. Every one of them have pros and cons. PM by itself is no bigger or better than just GE as an investment choice, and GE is simply one of tens of thousands of stocks you can invest in.

    I agree and disagree with NK at the same time. Yes, its a hedge, but also can be thought of as a form of storable oil. Insofar as people invest, (speculate), in commodities, I view PM as similar.
     
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  6. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    This is meant to be a fun topic, I know a lot of people who feel differently about both, and I also realize that this topic is not a real which is better situation, this is meant to start a debate about the both.

    I'm really surprised by how difficult people are on this forum about just having a fun discussion.
     
  7. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Bullion SPECIFICALLY refers to bulk quantities of gold or silver. They aren't an investment. The investments which relate to PMs are derivatives and futures contracts backed by bullion. The bullion itself is a hedge.

    As Medora said, PMs can be viewed as units of oil, but, even then, you're speculating on arbitrage, at best. It's not an investment.
     
  8. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    Ok, so let me ask this, you say backed by bullion, if your buying physical bullion and storing it for a future rise in the market, isn't that similar to what people do with oil and other such commodities? Would that not make bullion a form of a investment, not just a hedge against inflation. I know some view it as only that, but some people are actually collecting bullion as a investment as well.
     
  9. It may be that a lot of people just don't give investment opinions/advice for fun since there can be real life consequences for people who use that information. Just a guess.
     
  10. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I don't know of a single person who is buying bullion (as opposed to what PM retailers are marketing as bullion) for long-term investment. Anyone holding physical bullion would need it for industrial or hedging reasons. Storage costs would be highly prohibitive for any other bullion holdings. That's why the futures contracts exist. Very few people want to take bullion delivery before it's needed.
     
  11. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Indeed... for the most part, the informed investors (whose advice would actually help) aren't going to participate for one of two reasons:

    1) They don't want to work for free.
    2) They don't want to get sued for misapplication of advice that they weren't compensated for.

    That leaves you with non-professional opinions.
     
  12. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    Well this a forum for discussion, no one is asking for a professional opinion, just a opinion. If people choose to follow someones opinion on a forum, then they are fools if the try to sue someone over a opinion on a site where no one is claiming to be getting paid for you to listen to them. Some people just want to be informed and learn a little, not everyone has a college education in finance and understands how this all works.
     
  13. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    This is a forum for COIN discussion. The bullion section is intended for coined bullion metals (0.999+ gold or silver content medals/coins). If you want to discuss investments, take the discussion to "General Discussion."
     
  14. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I wasn't trying to make it "unfun". I thought my point about how "stocks" are not just one thing but tens of thousands of things cannot therefor be compared en mass to PM, which is by its nature just one thing, (per element at least). So, its the same as comparing peanut butter to all food.

    If you wished to compare pm to say an S&P 500 index or something, then we could talk about it.

    I thought I had a point. :(
     
  15. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    Ok, so whats up with all the topics under the bullion section that have nothing to do with coin bullion metals? There are a lot of them on here. NK, you have to admit, this topic went way off topic. Like I said this was meant to be fun, and most people have a sense of humor, atleast I would hope so.
     
  16. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

    I would take a small stake in a value producing company over a shinny rock for any time frame longer than 5 years. It's not even a fair fight, shiny rocks do not produce value.
     
  17. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    You actually did, I appreciate that you understood the topic and had a opinion on it, thanks for that. :dead-horse:

    Start a S&P VS Topic LOL
     
  18. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    Just because you see people ignore stop signs on the road, that doesn't mean a stop sign doesn't mean to stop at the line.
     
  19. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    Don't get me started on peoples driving skills...;) Listen its obvious we disagree and maybe I chose the wrong battle for bullion to go up against, but I enjoy a good debate and like anything else, not everyone will ever agree,
     
  20. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    For fun - bullion because I can hold it and it looks cool.
     
  21. SCFY

    SCFY Active Member

    I'm with you, shiney lol :hail:
     
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