Zoids GTG: 1926 Sesquicentennial Commemorative

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ZoidMeister, Sep 18, 2020.

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Guess the grade?

  1. AU

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  2. MS60

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  3. MS61

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  4. MS62

    3 vote(s)
    23.1%
  5. MS63

    8 vote(s)
    61.5%
  6. MS64

    1 vote(s)
    7.7%
  7. MS65

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  8. MS66

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  1. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    Gents,

    This one was graded by ANACS. Not sure when. My photography skills and lighting aren't the best. I'll try to post better photos later this evening.

    What say the experts?

    Z



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  3. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    I take a stab at 63 on this one
     
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  4. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Uh, 63, no 62, uh, 63, final answer.
     
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  5. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

  6. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Yeah, MS63 seems right.
     
  7. Mike Davis

    Mike Davis Supporter! Supporter

    I said MS64. It was hard to see....
     
  8. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    I'll get better photos . . . . . .

    Regrets for what's been posted.

    Z
     
  9. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    I tried to take these from a couple different angles and light positions. I can confirm that the hairline scratches you see in the first obverse photo are in the slab. You can see them disappear in the second photo.

    Hope these help. Click to enlarge.

    Z


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  10. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I will guess MS 62
     
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  11. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    This is one of the weakest struck commems, if not the weakest in the series. Just look how weak IGWT and the dates are.

    If this was in a relatively modern PCG/NGC, I see it as a 64. But as it's in an old ANACS, I'll go with...

    63

    ...with an outside shot of 64.

    There is a huge jump in value on these from 64 to 65, and I think all (legitimate) TPG's have always been very hesitant to go to 65 on these.
     
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  12. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  13. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    Lemme know when I should do the reveal . . . .

    Z
     
  14. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I believe 24 hours is considered appropriate in CT culture.
    Not a big deal to me tho.
     
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  15. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    You know I had the same thoughts for the longest time. Horribly weak strikes. I mean the IGWT is barely visible, and it's on the highest part of the die, the first to come into contact with the planchette.

    Then, contrast that with the absolutely amazing details on the top surface of the bell and the horizontal bell lines. Huge difference and those surfaces are the deepest surfaces in the die.

    Then finally look at the radius curved surfaces that LIBERTY, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, HALF DOLLAR, and THE SESQUICENTENNIAL is engraved in.

    My speculation is that a lot of pressure was needed to stamp these deep designs into the planchette resulting in extreme die wear, which only looks like weak strikes. Otherwise you wouldn't get any details on the highest parts of the bell.

    Just my two cents.

    Z
     
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  16. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    Any other guessers / semi-pro graders?

    @Insider ?
     
  17. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    And here's the reveal . . . .


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    I had an ulterior motive for starting this GTG.

    I have long suspected that this coin was horribly under graded, especially after seeing more recent coins that look worse coming back with MS63 or MS64 grades. Yes, the 'weak strike' which I think is really die wear, does lend to the overall attractiveness of this coin, but I've always wondered if it would be worth liberating this one and sending it back for a second opinion.

    I wonder how CAC would attribute something like this? Your thoughts?

    Z
     
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  18. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    i agree very under graded even though its a weak strike no on the CAC and yes send it back. It should at least be a 62 minimum but send it to pcgs or ngc if you could.
     
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  19. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    PCGS price guide.
    MS60 = $100
    MS63 = $115
    MS64 = $200

    Something to think about.
    Longshot thinks resubmittal is a long shot.
     
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  20. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I'm with @longshot .....that looks like a nice example, but even PCGS MS 64 examples have recently sold on eBay for $175-$200. You also have an older small white Anacs holder which has it's own collector base. I can easily see it going for over $100. So the best case (PCGS MS 64) would gain you about $50-$75 (after grading) but one point lower at MS 63 and you lose money after grading fees.
     
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  21. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Not use to this type of coinage but what you show changes my mind resubmiting it won't do much price wise if it grades lower than a 64 it's a risk but whatever you think is best.
     
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