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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 8358792, member: 24314"]<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> mikenoodle, posted: "ok... I have withheld comment on the process to this point, trying to "play the game" that you propose, [<i><span style="color: #660033">It would have been better if you had stayed <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie66" alt=":muted:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> But I'm glad you posted because if you didn't understand by reading all my comments I'll bet another 40% of those just <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie99" alt=":watching:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> don't understand either! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]</span></i> but here's the issue that I have with your premise." For a coin that has such an obvious issue, and I think we can agree it's obvious, as nobody missed the damage, <b>why on earth would two graders miss the problem? You mean to tell me that two professional graders missed this damage??" </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>Award for <b><span style="color: #ff0000">BEST ANSWER</span></b> in the "short & sweet" answer category:</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">justafarmer, post: 8358740, member: 3926"]We are dealing with two different scenarios here. A fictional one and one from real life. Each consisting of their own distinctly different set of facts. What the coin graded in the real life scenario has no bearing on how the coin should grade. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><br /></span></p><p><b><i><span style="color: #660033">My poll asked how </span><span style="color: #006633">you </span><span style="color: #660033">would grade the coin </span><span style="color: #006633">if you were a grader doing QC</span><span style="color: #660033"> and saw something the other graders missed!</span></i></b></p><p><b><i><span style="color: #660033"><br /></span></i></b></p><p>I have to admit, I was a bit perplexed and as such I gave the coin a straight grade, <b>thinking that based on the graders' opinions</b>, it would (or should), indeed, straight grade. </p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033"><b>Note to all</b>: Most of you have a brain and two eyes. No matter what your level of numismatic experience is, <b>TRUST IN YOURSELF AND YOUR OWN EYES</b> while you are learning and developing your personal grading standards. Don't be afraid to ask questions of anyone who disagrees with what you see. </span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>I always learn things in these threads, but the scenario had confusion baked right in because of this detail. </p><p><br /></p><p>I think the better and more productive conversation to have would be, "what should the graders give to this coin?" [<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie87" alt=":sorry:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <i><span style="color: #660033">I tried to do that and I failed you <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i>] or something that talks about the subjectivity of damage happening at the Mint and whether or not it remains Mint State in all situations. </p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033">I think we already discussed that a MS coin remains MS no matter what you do to it that can reduce its MS grade and/or value EXCEPT FOR FRICTION WEAR</span></i>. <i><span style="color: #660033">The only exception occurs with "Net Grading." In some rare cases a MS copper coin can be net graded all the way down to XF! TPGS net grade too but not to this<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and STUPID degree. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #660033"></span></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 8358792, member: 24314"]:jawdrop::rolleyes::banghead::banghead: mikenoodle, posted: "ok... I have withheld comment on the process to this point, trying to "play the game" that you propose, [[I][COLOR=#660033]It would have been better if you had stayed :muted: But I'm glad you posted because if you didn't understand by reading all my comments I'll bet another 40% of those just :watching: don't understand either! :(][/COLOR][/I] but here's the issue that I have with your premise." For a coin that has such an obvious issue, and I think we can agree it's obvious, as nobody missed the damage, [B]why on earth would two graders miss the problem? You mean to tell me that two professional graders missed this damage??" [/B] Award for [B][COLOR=#ff0000]BEST ANSWER[/COLOR][/B] in the "short & sweet" answer category: [COLOR=#ff0000]justafarmer, post: 8358740, member: 3926"]We are dealing with two different scenarios here. A fictional one and one from real life. Each consisting of their own distinctly different set of facts. What the coin graded in the real life scenario has no bearing on how the coin should grade. [/COLOR] [B][I][COLOR=#660033]My poll asked how [/COLOR][COLOR=#006633]you [/COLOR][COLOR=#660033]would grade the coin [/COLOR][COLOR=#006633]if you were a grader doing QC[/COLOR][COLOR=#660033] and saw something the other graders missed! [/COLOR][/I][/B] I have to admit, I was a bit perplexed and as such I gave the coin a straight grade, [B]thinking that based on the graders' opinions[/B], it would (or should), indeed, straight grade. [I][COLOR=#660033][B]Note to all[/B]: Most of you have a brain and two eyes. No matter what your level of numismatic experience is, [B]TRUST IN YOURSELF AND YOUR OWN EYES[/B] while you are learning and developing your personal grading standards. Don't be afraid to ask questions of anyone who disagrees with what you see. [/COLOR][/I] I always learn things in these threads, but the scenario had confusion baked right in because of this detail. I think the better and more productive conversation to have would be, "what should the graders give to this coin?" [:oops::sorry: [I][COLOR=#660033]I tried to do that and I failed you :([/COLOR][/I]] or something that talks about the subjectivity of damage happening at the Mint and whether or not it remains Mint State in all situations. [I][COLOR=#660033]I think we already discussed that a MS coin remains MS no matter what you do to it that can reduce its MS grade and/or value EXCEPT FOR FRICTION WEAR[/COLOR][/I]. [I][COLOR=#660033]The only exception occurs with "Net Grading." In some rare cases a MS copper coin can be net graded all the way down to XF! TPGS net grade too but not to this:wacky::confused: and STUPID degree. :D [/COLOR][/I][/QUOTE]
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