Your thoughts on this Peace Dollar auction.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Gregg, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com Supporter

    I wasn't able to watch the video with sound but don't plan to. Many coins have been cleaned and if it's done properly it can benefit the coin. NGC I believe offers a conservation service which does essentially this and then slabs the coin. Many ancient coins have been cleaned or "conserved" I think the term is.

    There are certain types of cleaning which are a "no no" for modern coins. The topic is complex and it may take years to learn. I've also avoided EBay as of the 3 coins I've bought there every one I had to return.

    My practice is to call and get the seller's (or auctioneer's) opinion of the piece verbally. I'd guess that by looking at a fixed picture there's no way to tell for sure. This is why Heritage has video of some of their more expensive coins showing how the light moves across the coin's surfaces as it's rotated. You can view these on-line for free and it'd give you a better idea on grading.

    For lower value coins you could try local shows, however there you have to be careful. The last time I went to a show, they had 100 dealers, not a single decent gold piece of ANY country nor any coin that I could collect: other than scrap silver.

    There was one guy who had some sort of 1890 era 2.5D Lib in 61 priced at $900. A quick check showed that he bought the exact same coin out of a Heritage auction earlier that same year for $400. Not that I really looking for a quarter eagle in 61 but this was clearly not an honest offering.
     
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  3. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Watched the video by PCGS, um, no gloves ? Just saying.
     
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  4. Don P

    Don P Active Member

    IMHO: $200+ is too much for me to spend without seeing the coin in person or it being graded.
     
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  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Your point? Gloves are a waste of money and increase the risk to a coin
     
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  6. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    In what way do gloves pose a threat?
     
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  7. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    The major one is loss of dexterity making you more likely to drop a coin as well as more likely not to feel you're touching the faces of the coin.

    And yes I know one of the retorts is going to be surgeons wear gloves so graders should too. Except that surgeons wear gloves to protect themselves from contact with bodily fluid not the patient or because they work better.

    Most of these older coins have been around for many many years before surgical gloves were ever invented they'll be just fine being handled by the rims with bare hands just like they have been countless times already.
     
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  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I guess they do now, but in the old days, it was to protect the patient from infection. Gloves are a lot easier to sterilize than bare hands.

    Coins don't require that precaution. They have robust immune systems.
     
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  9. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I fundamentally disagree. I personally feel that today, the glove of choice is latex gloves, which do not lose dexterity. In fact, one can actually touch the surface of the coin with a powderless latex glove and it will leave no trace.

    The idea of cotton gloves is the tradition in Numismatics and it was a bad thing. Cotton gloves transfer dirt from one coin to another, and are in fact ever-so abrasive to surfaces.

    But that’s mid 20th century technology and this is the 21st century.
     
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  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You do lose dexterity with latex gloves. Anything covering your hand is impedement to dexterity. There’s times when it’s a positive such a batting gloves so you don’t throw the bat but you have the most control of a coin with a bare hand.

    There’s just simply no need for gloves either. Anything circulated has been touched before, any of the older coins have been touched before. Grab a coin by the rim and it’s fine
     
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  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    You can touch the surface of your phone with such a glove and it, too, will leave no trace. Not even the function you desired it to perform. :)

    Nope. No gloves. Not now, not ever.
     
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  12. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Well in a way I've opened up the proverbial can of worms.I made the mention of gloves because I wear them and always have. I didn't think it would be that much of an issue and I understand some will wear them and some won't.
    I wear them because I'm concerned about sweat from my hands and oils that could come from that. I hope everyone understands.
     
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  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Nothing wrong if you want to use them, I only mentioned it was unnecessary because some people use the lack of gloves to attack the TPGs
     
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  14. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Thanks I thought buying cloth gloves to handle coins was always the thing to do. Interesting that many experts feel the opposite of that. I guess I'll use up what I have and not worry from here on out.
     
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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I know some folks think that but it's not true, latex gloves may prevent fingerprints but they do leave smudges. And just like fresh fingerprints are invisible to the naked eye, so are smudges. But that doesn't mean they aren't there. Latex gloves also leave trace material of the latex behind.

    When it comes to handling coins, no gloves at all is best. And if you're concerned about oils from your fingers getting on the edges of the coins - wash your hands before you handle them and that will no longer be a concern.
     
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  16. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Sometimes happens. Every once in awhile you may come upon an spectacular appearing key item 'unholdered'......
     
  17. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    If I had one I'd donate the peace offering to you. You are 100% correct that NFL banter doesn't belong on this site. My apologies!
     
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