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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 259, member: 57463"]<b>The Devil is in the Details.</b></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with you agreeing with me that quibbling over details must not detract from the enjoyment of the hobby. At some arbitrary point, however, the facts become factors, and you have to ask yourself just WHAT you are collecting. </p><p><br /></p><p>I agree that from our perpective, the Owl is a long and honored series. I only pointed out that it was not struck continuously for 500 years. Some of the hiatuses and lacunas lasted a generation and most of the gaps ran for decades. Image having no new coins from 1960-2000. Yes, from 4000 AD, that gap might not be so plain, but think about what happened in Athens while no Owls were struck.</p><p><br /></p><p>You misunderstand me when you say that I "equated Owls with Athenian bronze coinage when the nickname "Owl" means Athenian Owl tetradrachms..." I was refering to the "Copper Owls" the debased, perhaps silverplated, emergency coinage of 413-404. You said the Owl was always pure silver. That is not quite true. Again, imagine the very real situation where no silver Five Francs were struck in France from 1919 to 1960. You could not say that the 5F was a time honored coin of .900 fine silver from the days of Napoleon to the Present. So, too, with the Owl. It was debased. It was replaced with copper coins of the same stamp, which may have been dressed up in silver plating. Owning one of those Copper Owls is not the same thing as owning a silver Tetradrachma.</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree -- and in fact, checking Sear, I was surprised pleasantly: the had they same weight (and same metal purity, of course) for most of their 500 year run. Except for the emergency, and except for changes in style, it was pretty much the same coin, just as the $5 Gold US Half Eagle was pretty much the same coin from 1796 to 1908.</p><p><br /></p><p>You said: "The Buffalo nickel, by its mere inclusion of a Latin motto, doesn't become classical. Its design motifs, very American, as in native American, are anything but classical." </p><p><br /></p><p>The STYLE of a coin is not determined by the Title of its Subject. In other words, if you think the Buffalo Nickel is "native American" style then I invite you to come to Albuquerque -- stop in Oklahoma on the way and listen to Native American radio while you are there. The Gallery Mint Museum, in fact, has a Buffalo Pattern that is in the "Roman" style. It is the same coin, believe me. That was his point in making the coin, to demonstrate that the Buffalo Nickel is a truly CLASSICAL design. Struck in Silver the Buffnick would pass on the streets of Rome by weight. Just about all coins would. </p><p><br /></p><p>HOWEVER, if you want to see some coins that would not, consider the 1999 DUTCH coins designed under the aegis of Her Majesty the Queen. Their modernism would have been a barrier even if they were GOLD. They are too unclassical to have been recognized as coins in Rome. Even farther from coindom are the modern "medals" that are really circuloidal sculptures, totally uncoinlike.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 259, member: 57463"][b]The Devil is in the Details.[/b] I agree with you agreeing with me that quibbling over details must not detract from the enjoyment of the hobby. At some arbitrary point, however, the facts become factors, and you have to ask yourself just WHAT you are collecting. I agree that from our perpective, the Owl is a long and honored series. I only pointed out that it was not struck continuously for 500 years. Some of the hiatuses and lacunas lasted a generation and most of the gaps ran for decades. Image having no new coins from 1960-2000. Yes, from 4000 AD, that gap might not be so plain, but think about what happened in Athens while no Owls were struck. You misunderstand me when you say that I "equated Owls with Athenian bronze coinage when the nickname "Owl" means Athenian Owl tetradrachms..." I was refering to the "Copper Owls" the debased, perhaps silverplated, emergency coinage of 413-404. You said the Owl was always pure silver. That is not quite true. Again, imagine the very real situation where no silver Five Francs were struck in France from 1919 to 1960. You could not say that the 5F was a time honored coin of .900 fine silver from the days of Napoleon to the Present. So, too, with the Owl. It was debased. It was replaced with copper coins of the same stamp, which may have been dressed up in silver plating. Owning one of those Copper Owls is not the same thing as owning a silver Tetradrachma. I agree -- and in fact, checking Sear, I was surprised pleasantly: the had they same weight (and same metal purity, of course) for most of their 500 year run. Except for the emergency, and except for changes in style, it was pretty much the same coin, just as the $5 Gold US Half Eagle was pretty much the same coin from 1796 to 1908. You said: "The Buffalo nickel, by its mere inclusion of a Latin motto, doesn't become classical. Its design motifs, very American, as in native American, are anything but classical." The STYLE of a coin is not determined by the Title of its Subject. In other words, if you think the Buffalo Nickel is "native American" style then I invite you to come to Albuquerque -- stop in Oklahoma on the way and listen to Native American radio while you are there. The Gallery Mint Museum, in fact, has a Buffalo Pattern that is in the "Roman" style. It is the same coin, believe me. That was his point in making the coin, to demonstrate that the Buffalo Nickel is a truly CLASSICAL design. Struck in Silver the Buffnick would pass on the streets of Rome by weight. Just about all coins would. HOWEVER, if you want to see some coins that would not, consider the 1999 DUTCH coins designed under the aegis of Her Majesty the Queen. Their modernism would have been a barrier even if they were GOLD. They are too unclassical to have been recognized as coins in Rome. Even farther from coindom are the modern "medals" that are really circuloidal sculptures, totally uncoinlike.[/QUOTE]
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