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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 212615, member: 66"]If you are going to measure the diameter do it in mm NOT inches. Especially if your caliper only goes to two decimal places. The difference shown in the first post was .01 inches which doesn't sound like much. Until you compare it to mm and against the tolerances. .01 inches is .25 (rounded to two places) mm and the tolerance in the diameter is .003 inches or .08 mm. The original size he showed of 1.04 inches is 26.49 mm. Spec is 26.5 a difference of .01 mm. the .01 inch decrease in diameter is as I said .25 mm or a little more than THREE TIMES the legal mint tolerance. That is a BIG discrepancy. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also examine the edge under a loupe. A genuine smoothie will have a multitude of vertical lines of differing lengths on the edge. These are remnants of the shear edge from the blanking, and ejection scratches from being forced out of the collar after striking. The areas that don't show the lines will show the flat smooth appearance of metal forced against the flat collar. Both of these are removed in a grinding, buffing or milling procedure. Typically those processes willl leave tool marks that run horizontally around the coin and not vertically across the coin. another feature is the shape of the edge itself. On a genuine smoothie there is a flat on the edge and then bevels top and bottom from the flat to the rims. The flat is cuase by the expantion of the coin against the collar, but the pressure usually isn't enough to form the edge completely so you get the bevels. When the coin is compresses in the lettering die it also squares up the edge some more. Also if someone sands off the lettering the edge will usually be rounded and not show the flat area. If it is milled it will usually be very squared off and not show the bevels unless the machinest knows enough to put them back on.</p><p><br /></p><p>A real good way to learn what the edge of a genuine smnoothie would look like is to closely examine the edge of a new Sac dollar. Look at the shape, the surfaces and the characteristic scratches. Once you know what a genuine edge looks like you should not be fooled by a home made fake.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 212615, member: 66"]If you are going to measure the diameter do it in mm NOT inches. Especially if your caliper only goes to two decimal places. The difference shown in the first post was .01 inches which doesn't sound like much. Until you compare it to mm and against the tolerances. .01 inches is .25 (rounded to two places) mm and the tolerance in the diameter is .003 inches or .08 mm. The original size he showed of 1.04 inches is 26.49 mm. Spec is 26.5 a difference of .01 mm. the .01 inch decrease in diameter is as I said .25 mm or a little more than THREE TIMES the legal mint tolerance. That is a BIG discrepancy. Also examine the edge under a loupe. A genuine smoothie will have a multitude of vertical lines of differing lengths on the edge. These are remnants of the shear edge from the blanking, and ejection scratches from being forced out of the collar after striking. The areas that don't show the lines will show the flat smooth appearance of metal forced against the flat collar. Both of these are removed in a grinding, buffing or milling procedure. Typically those processes willl leave tool marks that run horizontally around the coin and not vertically across the coin. another feature is the shape of the edge itself. On a genuine smoothie there is a flat on the edge and then bevels top and bottom from the flat to the rims. The flat is cuase by the expantion of the coin against the collar, but the pressure usually isn't enough to form the edge completely so you get the bevels. When the coin is compresses in the lettering die it also squares up the edge some more. Also if someone sands off the lettering the edge will usually be rounded and not show the flat area. If it is milled it will usually be very squared off and not show the bevels unless the machinest knows enough to put them back on. A real good way to learn what the edge of a genuine smnoothie would look like is to closely examine the edge of a new Sac dollar. Look at the shape, the surfaces and the characteristic scratches. Once you know what a genuine edge looks like you should not be fooled by a home made fake.[/QUOTE]
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