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Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Rachel Perez, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. Rachel Perez

    Rachel Perez Just a very wishful thinker!

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  3. Kentucky

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    That's weird...
  4. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    From your photo the S looks like it's raised. Is it raised or incuse? I'm just having a difficult time accepting that it's a genuine S mint mark. I'd like to see what the experts say about this.
  5. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    I hope you don't mind but I cropped your photo so people could have a better look at this.
  6. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    And now for a better look at the S. The focus is not the best but you can definitely tell it is an S 19251.jpg

    You only showed a photo of the obverse of this coin. Can we see a photo of the reverse, or could you tell us what MM is on the reverse? I believe it is located right below the eagles' tail on the reverse.
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  7. Rachel Perez

    Rachel Perez Just a very wishful thinker!

    This is the reverse of the 1925 590456289.jpg
  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    My concern is that why does it look dark? As dark as all the other issues on the Obverse? Pareidolia?
  9. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    It looks to me like there is no MM. I was incorrect. It should be just above the tip of the tail.

    No MM means minted in Philly. This is most likely PMD. Now I will try to explain why.

    Several unlikely things had to occur at the Philly mint for this to happen. First off they were still using a hand punch to add the MM to the dies at the mint during this time. This meant someone working in the Philly mint in 1925 had to have a San Fransisco MM punch in their pocket at work one day. They then proceeded to punch an obverse of one of the dies near the forehead. This would cause the MM to appear on the rest of the coins that that obverse die made before someone noticed.

    Since there are quite a few collectors out there collecting Peace Dollars I think this would be a well known "error" by now if this had actually happened.
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  10. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    I’m guessing glued on
  11. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    the "IN GOD WE" looks like the fakes coming from China.
    Although I haven't looked at the fakes recently for Peace Dollars I just recall seeing the IN being weirdly elongated/stretched along with the other words being inconsistent. Normally you could just check the websites but those have been cleansed lately.

    Didn't we have another peace dollar or something with an S like that a while ago ??
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2019
  12. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Post mint Damage. I'm in agreement with @Heavymetal that it looks like it's glued on.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2019
  13. Rachel Perez

    Rachel Perez Just a very wishful thinker!

    It's not a fake, it's just a mystery.. ever thought that this coin hasn't been recorded because it was in my uncles possession for very many years and was his father's before he inherited it. So ...not a fake coin. . Sorry... but let's not give up!

    PS.. Not glued on either
  14. Rachel Perez

    Rachel Perez Just a very wishful thinker!

    I'm giving you another angle.. IMG_20190807_220948002.jpg
  15. Rachel Perez

    Rachel Perez Just a very wishful thinker!

    Maybe the person working at the San Fransisco mint that day was tired or distracted and punched the s in the wrong place.. I'm mean didnt they punch every single coin, maybe the coin was flipped. It's kind of near the spot it would have been punched on the reverse if it was flipped
  16. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

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  17. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    Actually they punched each die obverse or reverse depending on where MM was located on that particular series. Then this die would be used to make thousands of coins before being retired. Anything that is raised on the coin was incuse on the die that made it.
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Giving this coin a soak in acetone will do it no harm, and could reveal if the letter were some sort of a glue-on.
  19. Casman

    Casman Active Member

    Looks glued on from here, note circular area around S MM
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  20. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    It doesn't look close to being a dropped letter,
    and although I can't tell exactly what it is from
    the photos, it's not an error on the die, or anything
    from the Mint when it was struck, imo.
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  21. Azariana

    Azariana Member

    Really, acetone? Reason I asked is because I purchased a pretty nice Morgan 3-4 months back, and the idiot that mailed it to me, taped the damn coin to some cardboard. Well living in FL, and it was the height of full blown Summer... and probably well over 100+ degrees in the mailbox, the tape literally "melted onto the coin". I was going to return it, but I never got around to doing so.
    I soaked it in warm water a few times with a single drop of dawn but, the coin still looks like crap...I heard about acetone before & thought for sure it would ruin the coin as, cleaned...? Prior to the tape ordeal, it should have graded out as at least MS63 or possibly 64... At this point the coin is just ruined. Any thoughts would be great. TY
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