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  2. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    You do realize that those are all hideously artificially toned, don't you?

    There's nothing natural, original, or gorgeous about those - if you ask, he'll cook you up another one.

    They are unslabbed because they are unslabbable.
     
  3. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    those morgans are ugly, don't like those at all. I would have to agree with physics about the artificial toning!
     
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  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I'll disagree about these being obvious AT. I don't find them to be "gorgeous" like the seller stated, but it's a pattern that is possible from being stored in certain coin boards.

    @Lehigh96 any thoughts on the AT/NT/QC/MA nature of these?
     
  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    1. Complete lack of elevation chromatics.
    2. Complete lack of pull-away toning.
    3. Nearly uniform color across the entire toned surface, with little variation in color.
    4. White spots on the reverse around One Dollar.
    5. Brown patch on the eagle's wing where the piece of tape was coming up as the chemicals were being applied.
    6. Ugly brownish appearance on the untoned side.
    7. Nearly perfect edges in a square shape.
    8. Brown lines at the edge of where the toning ends in the blank square.
    9. All three have nearly the exact same look - a look which is quite uncommon.

    These are absolutely AT.

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  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    1. Complete lack of elevation chromatics...this is the best point/gives the most concern
    2. Complete lack of pull-away toning....pull away isn't found on all toned coins
    3. Nearly uniform color across the entire toned surface, with little variation in color.....uniform toners exist
    4. White spots on the reverse around One Dollar...look like breaks in toning
    5. Brown patch on the eagle's wing where the piece of tape was coming up as the chemicals were being applied...Could have been taped to board for many years and that was the result when someone removed it from the board
    6. Ugly brownish appearance on the untoned side...does not say anything about AT or NT; both can have one side be unattractive
    7. Nearly perfect edges in a square shape...this happens when coins are in the same board/taped to that board
    8. Brown lines at the edge of where the toning ends in the blank square...like #5, could have been taped to board for many years and that was the result when someone removed it from the board
    9. All three have nearly the exact same look - a look which is quite uncommon...not common but I have seen others from being taped to a cardboard holder
     
  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Definitely not AT. They were either stored in an old, discontinued album, or in a certain type of blue cardboard holder, with a boxlike protrusion in the back. I have seen this pattern in older album Morgans (from the 40s) before. They are very cool, as it is a type of toning one does not normally encounter. I would happily own them.
     
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  8. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Here are some other examples:
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  9. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    Is the 04-O in the OP the same coin as the one posted by dddd in the ANACS holder?
    Can anyone show an example of the type of album that would produce this kind of toning?
     
  10. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    The 1886 is tiny car road rage thats why the color is so even and focused on the sides.The cars left and right wheels made contact on each front side of the morgan. The obverse was affected by the cars and the reverse is form beigh forced into the pavement.
     
  11. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    Interesting hypothesis. Are you planning to do an experiment along those lines?
     
  12. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    What the heck?

    I don't know what you've brewed up in your potty, but you should probably stop smoking it.
     
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  13. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Yes I'm a little high right now need to lay off and take it easy.
     
  14. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I wouldn't touch those with a 10 foot pole, sorry. Looks like a variation on a shake-n-bake coin where a piece of Scotch tape is applied to the reverse, then removed with acetone. I would advise the seller to at least use different dates when trying to convince unwitting buyers that they're from an old set.

    Is this a new type of toning (white square on blue background) that has never been seen before? Surely this isn't the first time this has been discovered if legit. Are there any of these in slabs that are more than 10 years old?
     
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  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    They are not the same coin but have similar patterns.
    I don't have an example of the album but it can happen in quite a few (including some of those large wall hangings you see where one side of the coin was taped to the back panel).
     
  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Quite a few toners are hard to find in holders over 10 years based on many being regraded. The examples I have seen slabbed are posted above. Part of it might be the TPGs being looser with what passes (wouldn't be the first time) and the other part is that in the past, many didn't find this type of toning to be attractive enough to justify spending the money on grading. Once a few sold for a decent amount (I've seen them go over $100 for common date 63s), then more were sent to be graded.
     
  17. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Those coins have zero appeal for me, whether AT or NT.
     
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  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    +1. I hate the blank spaces
     
  19. DBDc80

    DBDc80 Numismatist

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