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<p>[QUOTE="The_Cave_Troll, post: 40565, member: 1674"]Remember that you are talking about men who wrote, "according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, . . . and <b>excluding Indians . . ., [and] three fifths of all other Persons</b>. (US Constitution Art. I, Sec. 2, Clause 3) (emphasis mine) Basically, free white MEN count as 1 each, "Indians" count as nothing and "all other persons" (read slaves) count as 3/5 of a person!! Sounds equal to me!!! Well maybe not.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Please remember that history is ALWAYS written by the victor. Just because we honor Washington/Jefferson/John Jay, doesn't mean that everyone does (or even should). For an interesting foray into the counterfactual you might want to read "For Want of a Nail" by Robert Sobel. It is the standard counterfactual (what if) work of US history. It describes what happens to the "traitors" (Washington, Jefferson, et al.) who tried to seperate from the Mother country and had to be put down with force. ( And then goes on to speculate about how North America would have developed politically).</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>My point is that even in the context of their time the founding fathers weren't flawless even though the ideals that we want our country to stand for should be. Thus I voted no to actual people on coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="The_Cave_Troll, post: 40565, member: 1674"]Remember that you are talking about men who wrote, "according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, . . . and [b]excluding Indians . . ., [and] three fifths of all other Persons[/b]. (US Constitution Art. I, Sec. 2, Clause 3) (emphasis mine) Basically, free white MEN count as 1 each, "Indians" count as nothing and "all other persons" (read slaves) count as 3/5 of a person!! Sounds equal to me!!! Well maybe not. Please remember that history is ALWAYS written by the victor. Just because we honor Washington/Jefferson/John Jay, doesn't mean that everyone does (or even should). For an interesting foray into the counterfactual you might want to read "For Want of a Nail" by Robert Sobel. It is the standard counterfactual (what if) work of US history. It describes what happens to the "traitors" (Washington, Jefferson, et al.) who tried to seperate from the Mother country and had to be put down with force. ( And then goes on to speculate about how North America would have developed politically). My point is that even in the context of their time the founding fathers weren't flawless even though the ideals that we want our country to stand for should be. Thus I voted no to actual people on coins.[/QUOTE]
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