Yes folks icg got it right

ill give $0.03 1/3 cent for it ??? :hail:

 

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that would be $0.003 repeated for 1/3 cent....

 

a troll is someone that trolls from thread to thread and following other folks around plucking and picking at them. I know there are enough of you trolls on here already so I'll not join you . carry on

 

I really wanted to stay out of this...but just have to make this post. You say in this thread...http://www.cointalk.com/t195451-5/ , post #64, and I quote,

yes I have been interested in error coins for at least 45 years and maybe a little longer than that.


Now, you are telling us you get error and variety mixed up????? Thats one reason noone believes you, besides your nagging insistence you are right, and we are all wrong. You won't name the person who you think is 'the best in the business', when one of them told you it wasn't an error...then you mentioned something abouthaving it in an NGC slab to prove it.....and you seem to edit a whole lot of your posts. I think I've given MY reasons why you'll go back on unsubscribe/block. Noone wants to see your PMD coins you call errors, and noone here wants to be told they are wrong, when they have the knowledge to know they are right. You just refuse to accept the truth.

45 years, and maybe a little longer, and you STILL get error and variety mixed up...lol Was this alleged expert an expert on errors, or varieties??? It also makes it easier for us to know the 'expert' doesn't exist, or that coin would be going to a reputable TPG to see if it is a real error, though we all know it'll come back in it's ICG holder as it will never get into a REAL grading co's slab as an error (but, you and your expert would say they were wrong anyway). So, enjoy the $12 1988 Lincoln XF 'error'. Make sure you send varieties to variety experts and errors to error experts. And stop editing your posts....takes away credibility....when there is some. I should unsubscribe/block you again, but this is almost as when the other 2 'members' were on this site awhile back. I'll just sit back and when I needa good laugh, I'll look for error or variety threads......no numismatic knowledge factor in these threafs, but you sure do take offense easy......but c'mon...after 45 plus years (YOUR words....don't edit that post) of being interested in errors, and you get error and variety mixed up? You edit half your threads (like another poster a few years back used to)??? I'm sorry..(not really)...but, credibility opened the window and leapt to it's death after these statements. I just have to watch the next round of errors (or, s it a variety...or is it an error.....which of my imaginary experts is the error expert and which is the variety expert?).. It's going to get fun around here!!!!​

 

Might help your case if you say who the expert is...most of us know all the players in the hobby who know their stuff. If you insist on just sayingyou sent it to some expert, noone will buy it.

Or, is that for varieties? I keep getting them mixed up....

 

How does one become known as a Coin Expert, not just of errors, but any type of coin. I have never seen an article in any of the numismatic journals "New Coin Expert found In Back Woods of Mississippi" (no offense to those who live in Mississippi). A coin expert becomes known as an expert by publicly displaying a greater knowledge on the subject than the average Joe. They write articles for the journals, they write books, they speak to hobbyists at conventions and coin shows. They do not hide in a cabin somewhere and say "well gee, thats a fine error ya got there, but don't tell anyone I told you so" An expert would be able to tell you how the error occured BEFORE declating it genuine and then would stand behind his findings by backing his findings weith his name. If this were as rare of an error as you claim then your expert would already have his article off to one of the journals and you would be telling us to watch for it. However, this coin is PMD and nothing else.

Richard

See, I stand behind my statement by putting my name on it.

 

OK, but you go first!

 

Ok then since you know so much tell me truthfully when you find a mint done unusal coin do you always say hey I have found a nice variety coin or are you like I am most of the time and just say you have found a nice error coin ? also please tell me how do you determine the difference between a variety coin and a error coin ? this is a very tricky subject for some mint done coins . I have my opinions of this and I'm interested in hearing yours. We never get too old to learn if we want to and I am always wanting to learn more. Troy W

 

Good Morning Troy, I'm new to this thread and have a question. Is the mark across Lincoln's face (from his eye to lower ear) part of the die clash or something else? ...thanks.

 

the conversation about the difference between variety and error has been discussed on too many threads to list. Follow your own advice and do a little research.

Richard

 

That is part of the die clash . this is the bottom part of the memorial building.

 

:thumb:Icg & Anacs do the same job as Ngc or Pcgs Yes but don't get a CAC sticker unless it one of the Few

 

In a simplistic view, a variety is a difference in the design of the coin while an error is some type of problem which occured during the production of the coin.

Some varieties are in fact "error's" that during the "die" manufacturing (i.e. doubled die's, mismatched die's, incorrect die's) but they are never referred to in that respect.

 

Why does it matter why he didn't send it to NGC or PCGS?

ICG has a couple of world renowned experts.



Apparently OP is not a sheep that needs to follow the heard. He likes ICG and sent it there. I have sent plenty of ICG coins to cross at PCGS. Most of the time they do.

 

'Mint done coins'??? I never knew the mint 'done' coins. They STRIKE coins. Perhaps 45 or more years ago, the mint 'done' coins, but to my knowledge, they have been 'striking' coins since, oh, 1792.

As far as variety vs error, if you have "45, or longer" years as an error enthusiast, and your imiginary 'expert' knows so much, I think you'd BOTH already know the difference between the two. If you really need help, there's this book thats 'done' by Whitman...called 'The Cherry Pickers Guide', which shows you what to look for on the coin, gives pick-up points to check for. And, please, it doesn't take 45 years to figure out that if you see part of the reverse's design 'done' on the obverse, like your XF 1988 Lincoln has, it's NOT a variety, but an error. An error normally doesn't require a loupe to see it...an error is normally obvious to the naked eye (as in the case of your 'error'..it's clear that there is part of the reverse design on the obverse), where a variety normally does require the use of one...some don't, like the Washington Type B, as one example. Varieties are assigned FS numbers, errors are not...hence ICG not assigning an FS number on your 'error'

I'ts obvious what an error is, it isn't when it comes to varieties. You argue with someone who IS a recognized, error expert who HAS had articles PUBLISHED in nationally known numismatic publications. It's like Ziggy said....

(Excelent post, Ziggy!)

So, don't come here, ask us our opinion, and then, when you get replies you didn't want to hear, get upset and tell us (including one who IS published, and gave his opinion your 'ICG got it right' coin is NOT an error) we are wrong because your unknown, unnamed, 'alleged' (imiginary at this point) expert (remind me again, is he an error or variety expert, or are you sure you know what his expertise is?) says it IS an error. A VERY well known, published error expert chimed in, at YOUR request for opinions, and explained that there are some in top-tier TPG slabs that he's seen that have it wrong. You even argue with HIS determination oof the validity of your 'error;..

Just give it up...the more you drone on and on about 'I'm right, you're wrong' won't make us inclined to offer help/opinions, but, rather, put US on the defensive....why ask if YOU, and YOUR 'expert' are certain? You claiming you have an 'expert' error guy, who you won't name, and the fact he hasn't told you to get it into a REAL TPG slab tells us he must REALLY be an 'expert' in errors (or is it varieties..I still get those two mixed up). By your just puttng it away in it's ICG slab, not getting a REAL authentication by a REPUTABLE TPG, well, that shows us alot.

Do you know how many here have had to hear the bad news that what we THOUGHT was an error OR variety, was merely PMD, or machine doubling/strike doubling? LOTS..and do we, who have been told the bad news, whine, kick, scream, argue about it? No, we move on and hope we DO find one in the future. You need to let go and understand we are here to give opinions (which YOU asked for). If you had an 'expert', why didn't you have him look at it first? Also, there is much more collective knowledge here than your single, 'imiginary' expert has. It's OK to not have what you think you have...it's happened to ALL of us, ALL of us, at one point or another. Check out other error threads and you'll see. You asked for our help, you got it, yet you refuse to listen to it, and insist on arguing about it because you didn't get the opinions you wanted to hear. Why do you think it cost you only $12? If it WERE a real error, you NEVER would have gotten it so cheaply. Why can't you face facts??? This is a forum to SHARE what we have, to show off coins we are proud of, and yes, to inquire as to what we might or might not, have. Just because you didn't hit a 'home run' with this one, you might next time. We ALL want to hit a home run, but it just doesn't happen that easily...again, why do you think you got the coin for less than the cost of grading???

I can't wait for the response to this post. But I'll end it with...all you have is an XF 1988 Lincoln that is not an error, as many/most have said. It isn't worth the grading fees. It's worth face value. Sorry, but thats the truth...if you can't accept the truth about a coin not being an error, perhaps you should change your area of collectibles. I hear Beanie Babies are pretty cheap.

 

He didn't send the coin to ICG, he purchased it graded from eBay with an error saying "Major Die Clash"

 

ICG went straight down the tubes when they 'merged/split' with ANACS. It was a bad decision on both companies parts, and brought what little support ICG had to the curb to be put out with the trash. It hurt ANACS reputation also.

As for the OP not being a sheep, and submitting it himself...he didn't submit it...he 'ripped' it (I think the consensus is he got rippped) from ebay for all of $12, so, read all the posts in a thread (in the OP's case, there are at least 2 on this particular coin)....here's the first one.... http://www.cointalk.com/t195451/ and the link to the 'awesome error', which had all of 2 bids, is here..... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Penny-Major-Die-Clash-Must-see-/260897421640?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3cbeb2b948

 

$12? I've gotten at least that amount of entertainment value just reading this thread! :devil: