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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2995080, member: 10461"]All right. So here's the coin I'd potentially offer in <font face="Georgia"><font size="5">trade.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b><a href="https://collectivecoin.com/lordmarcovan/7my2PhjhXCrR9PLbqB5k/VqZoYtrYxobuIHC13WMi" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collectivecoin.com/lordmarcovan/7my2PhjhXCrR9PLbqB5k/VqZoYtrYxobuIHC13WMi" rel="nofollow">Belgium (Brabant): gold Carolus d’or (florin) of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, ca. 1521-1545</a></b></font></font></p><p><b><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/8pUN8e5FTsyWh0pLsG4y_Brabant-florin-1500s-045242-coin-V2.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></b></p><p><br /></p><p>It's an extremely cool piece of Renaissance-era gold, and I really like it, but it's unslabbable with a straight grade. NGC just returned it for "ineligible type" (as they did my other two hammered pieces in the same submission). It was formerly in a <a href="https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85188589" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85188589" rel="nofollow">PCGS Genuine; VF details, "mount removed"</a> holder from one of my prior submissions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, a few things. First of all, my Eclectic Box collection is a set of TPG-certified coins. It's a "freestyle" <strike>accumulation</strike> collection, and as its name indicates, I don't have many self-imposed rules or restrictions for it, but the "<i><b>PCGS or NGC certified, or about to be</b></i>" rule is one of the few that still stands. And an unwritten subclause to that is that I don't want any "details" graded "problem" coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>This Brabant piece is a wonderful coin, but I've gone as far as I can with it down the plastic-slab-chasing path, so it's time to cut my losses and move on. This happens. Some great coins just aren't ideal candidates for slabbing.</p><p><br /></p><p>I realize I am posting this on the Ancient Coins forum and I am fully cognizant of how utterly absurd some of the slab talk must sound to most of you. But like it or not, I signed aboard with that when I began this project in 2013 and I "<i>live by the slab and die by the slab</i>", so lets not rehash that debate. (Believe me, I understand the counterarguments- really I do.) But these are the rules of the game I'm playing. Sixteen and a half years on the PCGS/Collectors Universe forums ingrained much of that culture in me. We're all products of our environment.</p><p><br /></p><p>The slabby game has its upside. Moments like this, however, when it creates absurd dilemmas, are aggravating. Believe me, if I collected ONLY Ancient or Medieval coins, I'd bust 'em all out of the plastic and go about things in the more traditional manner. In fact, I came within a gnat's whisker of doing just that this month, but when a slab-hating ancient collector (who you'd think would be the <i>first</i> with a hammer in his hand) urged me to reconsider and think hard before I did that, I stayed my hand and put down the slab-cracking tools.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, did I lose any of you in all that ramble?</p><p><br /></p><p>Summary:</p><ul> <li>The Brabant gold piece will not slab with a straight grade at PCGS, and not at all at NGC.</li> <li>Though it's a great coin, I'm ready to amicably divorce myself from it, sell it or trade it back to where it came from, and use the equity to pursue something new.</li> <li>I saw and liked the Nero tetradrachm.</li> <li>Then I noticed it was for sale (for €50 less) by the very same folks I'd bought the Brabant coin from.</li> <li>I figure this might give me a bit more leverage than an outright sale or swap to another party (though if I found a different buyer for the Brabant around my cost, that might be ideal, as I'd then be free to spend the equity anywhere).</li> <li>The seller I'll be dealing with is a satellite of an enormous French company I'm sure most of you can name. So if a store credit of €400-450 is offered by them for the buyback on the Brabant coin (and as of this message I have no idea how that will go), then the Nero tetradrachm is <i>not</i> my only option. It just happens to be <i>one</i> that caught my eye. This seller has thousands of other coins.</li> </ul><p>Thank you all for the advice.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2995080, member: 10461"]All right. So here's the coin I'd potentially offer in [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5]trade. [B][URL='https://collectivecoin.com/lordmarcovan/7my2PhjhXCrR9PLbqB5k/VqZoYtrYxobuIHC13WMi']Belgium (Brabant): gold Carolus d’or (florin) of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, ca. 1521-1545[/URL][/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/8pUN8e5FTsyWh0pLsG4y_Brabant-florin-1500s-045242-coin-V2.png[/IMG][/B] It's an extremely cool piece of Renaissance-era gold, and I really like it, but it's unslabbable with a straight grade. NGC just returned it for "ineligible type" (as they did my other two hammered pieces in the same submission). It was formerly in a [URL='https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85188589']PCGS Genuine; VF details, "mount removed"[/URL] holder from one of my prior submissions. Now, a few things. First of all, my Eclectic Box collection is a set of TPG-certified coins. It's a "freestyle" [S]accumulation[/S] collection, and as its name indicates, I don't have many self-imposed rules or restrictions for it, but the "[I][B]PCGS or NGC certified, or about to be[/B][/I]" rule is one of the few that still stands. And an unwritten subclause to that is that I don't want any "details" graded "problem" coins. This Brabant piece is a wonderful coin, but I've gone as far as I can with it down the plastic-slab-chasing path, so it's time to cut my losses and move on. This happens. Some great coins just aren't ideal candidates for slabbing. I realize I am posting this on the Ancient Coins forum and I am fully cognizant of how utterly absurd some of the slab talk must sound to most of you. But like it or not, I signed aboard with that when I began this project in 2013 and I "[I]live by the slab and die by the slab[/I]", so lets not rehash that debate. (Believe me, I understand the counterarguments- really I do.) But these are the rules of the game I'm playing. Sixteen and a half years on the PCGS/Collectors Universe forums ingrained much of that culture in me. We're all products of our environment. The slabby game has its upside. Moments like this, however, when it creates absurd dilemmas, are aggravating. Believe me, if I collected ONLY Ancient or Medieval coins, I'd bust 'em all out of the plastic and go about things in the more traditional manner. In fact, I came within a gnat's whisker of doing just that this month, but when a slab-hating ancient collector (who you'd think would be the [I]first[/I] with a hammer in his hand) urged me to reconsider and think hard before I did that, I stayed my hand and put down the slab-cracking tools. So, did I lose any of you in all that ramble? Summary: [LIST] [*]The Brabant gold piece will not slab with a straight grade at PCGS, and not at all at NGC. [*]Though it's a great coin, I'm ready to amicably divorce myself from it, sell it or trade it back to where it came from, and use the equity to pursue something new. [*]I saw and liked the Nero tetradrachm. [*]Then I noticed it was for sale (for €50 less) by the very same folks I'd bought the Brabant coin from. [*]I figure this might give me a bit more leverage than an outright sale or swap to another party (though if I found a different buyer for the Brabant around my cost, that might be ideal, as I'd then be free to spend the equity anywhere). [*]The seller I'll be dealing with is a satellite of an enormous French company I'm sure most of you can name. So if a store credit of €400-450 is offered by them for the buyback on the Brabant coin (and as of this message I have no idea how that will go), then the Nero tetradrachm is [I]not[/I] my only option. It just happens to be [I]one[/I] that caught my eye. This seller has thousands of other coins. [/LIST] Thank you all for the advice.[/QUOTE]
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