XF45 VS AU50 w soft reverse strike

SuperDave - if you owned, what would you do to prove it was PVC - or otherwise? Crack it and do a chemical analysis?

 

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Quite obviously I'm not @SuperDave. IMO, this is so much nonsense. We are all grownups around here (except for me.

Just send the coin back to the grading service and ask them to remove the green as EVERYONE you have shown the coin to says its PVC and they tell you PCGS is a rotten service and that you should use NGC (lying goes a long way) and that you should complain in the numismatic press and at the ANA about what they put in holders "straight-graded."
Then tell them you don't care what others are telling you to do. You ONLY buy PCGS coins, love their company and just want the coin fixed so that it does not corrode in the holder. Send no money except return postage, and be nice in the letter. Bet it works.

 

Me? If I owned it, I'd have it cracked and into acetone within seconds of receiving it. If the acetone made the problem go away, it was PVC. That simple. Acetone won't remove anything non-organic from a coin - toning and the like - and I'd consider removal proof positive that it was PVC. I couldn't *not* crack it and get it into acetone, because until I see some other artifact on a coin which looks just_like_that (I haven't yet), it's a PVC plasticizer infection and the coin needs help now. I've seen it dozens (at the very least) of times, and so far they were all the same thing. I'm always prepared to be wrong and/or to learn something new, but experience and a *ton* of previous evidence indicate this is what PVC looks like.

If acetone didn't remove it, then yeah, somebody gets to do a chemical analysis because I'd need really badly to know what can so closely mimic PVC.

 

But then you are risking a details grade even if all you do is take off the green. Let the TPGS do it and they MUST keep the grade.

 

Not even close to true - once a coin is cracked and conserved the grade is absolutely not guaranteed. Even if the Tpg does it - read their user agreement. Conservation changes the state of the coin, and voids any guarantee.

 

That may not even be close to true as I KNOW the "policy." You can trust me on that.

Now, on a coin such as this, nothing is going to change EXCEPT no more green. Now, that coin was straight graded BIG MISTAKE and not worth downgrading. In fact, I'm in the minority as the lower coin is the one I'd choose all day long. Just saying. Coin will be cracked, conserved, and slabbed w/same label ... but what do I know? I have no connection to PCGS.

Nevertheless, there are plenty of folks that could send it in and get the work done for free...I bet losts of CT members know a few of them.

 

You'd be hard-pressed to find one who cared less about that detail than I.

 

Was looking at A dealer I know well website. He has a real nice xf 45 1840 seated dollar that looks super original with really good eye appeal. It's strong money tho but a nice coin

 

Then I suggest you re read the policy
http://www.ncscoin.com/conservation/grade_protection.asp

 

RE: my 1840 dollar; fiddlehead asked if it was graded:

Yes, it graded xf45 at pcgs.

 

I would send it to PCGS. Sure looks like PVC to me. You may end up paying the postage but I would be good with that.

 

I know the policy. I have read it and explained it to customers many times in the past

I apologize if I'm wrong here BUT the coin is in a PCGS slab right? Why send what should be a "details" coin (PCGS mistake unless happened after it was holdered) to NGC/NCS to "fix" when according to the NCS policy they may down grade it? That would be STUPID.

I said to get the coin back to PCGS (did you read my post?) and shame them into correcting their mistake. The coin will be conservered and reholdered at the same grade... the OP can count on it.

 

then you said

This is what I responded to and yes I read everything not just what I want to back up my agruement

 

@KoinJester

In post #43 a member stated that if HE owned the coin, HE would crack it and remove the PVC. That should have solved the problem: however HE would be left with a conserved RAW coin.

I suggested that the OP LET PCGS "CTA" and IMO it would get reslabbed at the original grade. Policy or no policy. That is the way it is usually done when a TPGS screws up. Besides the coin is GRADED CORRECTLY. In a few more years if the green is removed it will be an AU-50. Bet on it!

 

Follow-up on the AU50 coin. It's being sent to PCGS to remove the pvc sentiment and my understanding is that it will either be pvc free and re-holdered as a legit AU50 or if the process results in damage, they will pay the owner market value for it as per their guarantee. We'll see. In the mean time I found this:

 

Now, that is a truly nice 1840 Seated dollar! Jump on it if the price is right.

 

That the one you showed me a link to?

 

That one is much better strike-wise than the first two, but the old cleaning would bother me, despite its market-acceptability.

 

hmm - TypeCoin971793, meaning you think the last one I posted had an old cleaning? It looks pretty original to me - at least based on the pictures and discussion I've reviewed regarding liberty dollars and what they might look like with original surfaces (silver is not my area of most experience). Not pristine surfaces, but what looks like a some honest circulation wear to me. I'm curious about what you were thinking regarding an old cleaning?