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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2220495, member: 112&quot;]It depends on the coin and what they (the TPGs) know about it. There are actual off metal strikes, have been for centuries. They are usually test strikes or one kind or another, and sometimes they are even plain old fashioned mistakes. And of course there are always the out and out counterfeits thrown into the mix. About the only way to tell one from the other is if you happen to have the requisite knowledge.</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin for example, it is an off metal strike.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]435024[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]435025[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The Hieronymus 1782 ducat is a gold coin of course and this one obviously isn&#039;t. When I bought it there were no recorded sales of this coin ever in auction catalogs or books on the subject, so I bought it. A year or so later I managed to find another example - </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]435030[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]435031[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And not too long after that a friend, aware of the examples I had, found yet another and he bought that one. So in just a few years a previously unknown coin had 3 examples known. Later on, others even showed up. </p><p><br /></p><p>The coins were all struck in white metal (base metal) exact composition unknown. But to this day I know of no book that explains them or states exactly what they are. But I am reasonably sure that were someone to do the needed research in the archives they could find records of it. And that usually seems to be the case, that no one has ever taken the time or spent the effort to do the research.</p><p><br /></p><p>But in the book that I helped write on Netherlands ducats, the research was done and off metal strikes were documented.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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