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<p>[QUOTE="Nap, post: 8092392, member: 73099"]This is a question to ponder. With some coins, it's obvious, but others less so.</p><p><br /></p><p>My thought was that the coin should be nearly unobtainable in any grade, or unobtainable in higher grade according to one's budget. Obviously there is some subjectivity as to what a budget could be. You could probably obtain a most wretched Athenian tet if your budget is only $100, though these coins are certainly not rare in high grade. On the other hand, there are some rare varieties of coins that probably are dirt cheap just due to lack of knowledge or interest.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ok, here is my definition:</p><p>To be a rarity, a coin must be difficult to obtain (rare), with a small number known (pick your number, but I'd say less than 100 for a major variety or monarch, and less than 20 for a minor variety). To be wretched, the coin must be impaired beyond just a low grade, with damage of sorts, and would certainly look out of place in a high quality collection, such as Hunt, Norweb, Garrett, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>The accident of appearance at auction is challenging. For example, I showed a coin of Aethelwald Moll above. There are 5 known. Four of these have appeared at auction in the last 5 years, and the 5th traded hands privately. Maybe another won't appear on the market for 20 years, maybe it will appear next year. Pure happenstance in any case.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's another challenging one that I'm on the fence as to whether to call it a wretched rarity. A penny of Matilda, disputed queen of England 1139-1148</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1406556[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Penny of Matilda, queen of England (disputed) 1139-1148</p><p>Mint: Cardiff</p><p>Moneyer: Bricmer</p><p>S.1326</p><p>N.936</p><p>O: [MATI]LLIS IMP</p><p>R: [+BRIC]MER:CAIE[RDI]</p><p><br /></p><p>There are probably around 100 coins known of Matilda, a contender for the throne of England in the 12th century during a period called "The Anarchy". Many are in museums, but it's still not a truly rare issue. And this coin, broken in three parts and glued together by the Museum of Wales back in 1982, certainly is somewhat wretched. But is it enough of a rarity for the coveted title of "wretched rarity"? High grade unimpaired examples are out of my budget, despite that most examples don't look much better than this due to poor manufacturing at this time. This is because of demand from collectors trying to obtain "one of each monarch", a challenging task even if you start at William the Conqueror.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Nap, post: 8092392, member: 73099"]This is a question to ponder. With some coins, it's obvious, but others less so. My thought was that the coin should be nearly unobtainable in any grade, or unobtainable in higher grade according to one's budget. Obviously there is some subjectivity as to what a budget could be. You could probably obtain a most wretched Athenian tet if your budget is only $100, though these coins are certainly not rare in high grade. On the other hand, there are some rare varieties of coins that probably are dirt cheap just due to lack of knowledge or interest. Ok, here is my definition: To be a rarity, a coin must be difficult to obtain (rare), with a small number known (pick your number, but I'd say less than 100 for a major variety or monarch, and less than 20 for a minor variety). To be wretched, the coin must be impaired beyond just a low grade, with damage of sorts, and would certainly look out of place in a high quality collection, such as Hunt, Norweb, Garrett, etc. The accident of appearance at auction is challenging. For example, I showed a coin of Aethelwald Moll above. There are 5 known. Four of these have appeared at auction in the last 5 years, and the 5th traded hands privately. Maybe another won't appear on the market for 20 years, maybe it will appear next year. Pure happenstance in any case. Here's another challenging one that I'm on the fence as to whether to call it a wretched rarity. A penny of Matilda, disputed queen of England 1139-1148 [ATTACH=full]1406556[/ATTACH] Penny of Matilda, queen of England (disputed) 1139-1148 Mint: Cardiff Moneyer: Bricmer S.1326 N.936 O: [MATI]LLIS IMP R: [+BRIC]MER:CAIE[RDI] There are probably around 100 coins known of Matilda, a contender for the throne of England in the 12th century during a period called "The Anarchy". Many are in museums, but it's still not a truly rare issue. And this coin, broken in three parts and glued together by the Museum of Wales back in 1982, certainly is somewhat wretched. But is it enough of a rarity for the coveted title of "wretched rarity"? High grade unimpaired examples are out of my budget, despite that most examples don't look much better than this due to poor manufacturing at this time. This is because of demand from collectors trying to obtain "one of each monarch", a challenging task even if you start at William the Conqueror.[/QUOTE]
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