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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 362024, member: 112"]Oh I'm aware, all to well aware. But then the reason I asked the question was to see if you were really aware. </p><p><br /></p><p>Yes Coin World conducted an experiment, and that's all it was - an experiment. They are also the only ones who conducted any kind of organized experiment, but more on that in a minute. </p><p><br /></p><p>The so called grading experiment conducted by Coin World was all but meaningless, for several reasons. And anyone that actually knows anything about grading realized this at the time of the experiemnt - it was widely discussed and written about. But yet there are still a great many people who continue to point to this "experiment" as if it had a definitive and meaningful outcome. Trust me - it didn't. And if you could keep an open mind so that you could examine the information without bias, you would recognize that as well for you are an intelligent person and highly capable of doing so.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now back to why I was saying that Coin World's was the only experiment. I can only assume this since you didn't mention them specifically, but I assume that you are also talking the PNG surveys. But there is the point - PNG conducted <u>surveys</u>, not grading experiments. PNG surveyed dealers, small numbers of them at that, asking how the dealers would grade the accuracy and consistency of the TPG's. That is a far cry from a grading experiment. And the results of those <u>surveys</u> were also just as meaningless as Coin World's experiment. And again, people who can keep an open mind and examine the data realize this.</p><p> </p><p>There is one thing you apparently don't realize. That is that I personally like the current grading system even less than you do. I have written about it, condemned it and cried out for change & reform for a good many years. I recognize all of the problems, always have. But I also keep an open mind and examine things for what they truly are instead of allowing myself to be swayed by meaningless "surveys" and "experiments". </p><p><br /></p><p>I also understand market grading for what it is, rather than what many people "think" it is. For few truly do understand market grading, or more correctly, understand the difference between market grading and technical grading - which is what they are really talking about to begin with when they cry and complain about how bad the market grading system is and how badly it has screwed up the hobby.</p><p><br /></p><p>They continuously make comments that market grading is nothing more than a pricing method, when this far, far from the truth. Market grading is much more than that. Pricing is but one small aspect of market grading. And it is indeed quite factually, an aspect that it has in common with technical grading. Few ever seem to think about that. For that's what grading of any kind is when it comes right down to it. We assign grades to coins so that we might price them - it is the only way we have of quantifying the value of a given coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>So since both systems of grading are used in order to price coins, wouldn't it be far better to discuss and debate the actual methodology of the two systems instead of always pointing to the one thing, th eonly thing that the two systems actually have in common ?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 362024, member: 112"]Oh I'm aware, all to well aware. But then the reason I asked the question was to see if you were really aware. Yes Coin World conducted an experiment, and that's all it was - an experiment. They are also the only ones who conducted any kind of organized experiment, but more on that in a minute. The so called grading experiment conducted by Coin World was all but meaningless, for several reasons. And anyone that actually knows anything about grading realized this at the time of the experiemnt - it was widely discussed and written about. But yet there are still a great many people who continue to point to this "experiment" as if it had a definitive and meaningful outcome. Trust me - it didn't. And if you could keep an open mind so that you could examine the information without bias, you would recognize that as well for you are an intelligent person and highly capable of doing so. Now back to why I was saying that Coin World's was the only experiment. I can only assume this since you didn't mention them specifically, but I assume that you are also talking the PNG surveys. But there is the point - PNG conducted [U]surveys[/U], not grading experiments. PNG surveyed dealers, small numbers of them at that, asking how the dealers would grade the accuracy and consistency of the TPG's. That is a far cry from a grading experiment. And the results of those [U]surveys[/U] were also just as meaningless as Coin World's experiment. And again, people who can keep an open mind and examine the data realize this. There is one thing you apparently don't realize. That is that I personally like the current grading system even less than you do. I have written about it, condemned it and cried out for change & reform for a good many years. I recognize all of the problems, always have. But I also keep an open mind and examine things for what they truly are instead of allowing myself to be swayed by meaningless "surveys" and "experiments". I also understand market grading for what it is, rather than what many people "think" it is. For few truly do understand market grading, or more correctly, understand the difference between market grading and technical grading - which is what they are really talking about to begin with when they cry and complain about how bad the market grading system is and how badly it has screwed up the hobby. They continuously make comments that market grading is nothing more than a pricing method, when this far, far from the truth. Market grading is much more than that. Pricing is but one small aspect of market grading. And it is indeed quite factually, an aspect that it has in common with technical grading. Few ever seem to think about that. For that's what grading of any kind is when it comes right down to it. We assign grades to coins so that we might price them - it is the only way we have of quantifying the value of a given coin. So since both systems of grading are used in order to price coins, wouldn't it be far better to discuss and debate the actual methodology of the two systems instead of always pointing to the one thing, th eonly thing that the two systems actually have in common ?[/QUOTE]
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