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<p>[QUOTE="cladking, post: 361980, member: 68"]No.</p><p><br /></p><p>Market grading isn't meeting demand for coins market grading is pricing of coins. Most collectors' first question is "how much is this worth?". They don't care about the history or grading they want to know what it's worth. The slabbers put a neat little lable on it and certify that it's genuine so they can use the price guides. Here is where the system is affected by demand; as it increases prices rise even faster than the guides can reflect it. If a coin is a liner between a guide price of $400 and a guide price of $800 in a hot market than the real prices might be $700 and $1,200. So rather than putting the coin in a $400 holder they put it in an $800 holder since being high end it's easily worth $800. When the market turns around it goes the other way. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are other natural forces causing grade (pricing) inflation in rising markets but the grading (pricing) of extremely rare coins is mostly irrelevant. Buyers and sellers of these know their condition and know that they are being dramatically overgraded now. The 1804 doillars are an even poorer example since many of these have simulated wear which was used to help get them out of the mint. I don't know if this is one of them. But how would you grade a coin with simulated wear at the mint? Is it pristine if it has no new damage? Is it body bagged for the original damage? </p><p><br /></p><p>Again I fully agree that coins should be graded to a standard rather than priced. But why get upset with the TPG's who are simply filling a niche and doing what they're paid for. This is a problem with collectors and it's collectors who need education. When enough people demand grading rather than pricing then coins will be graded. If not by the existing companies then by new ones. </p><p><br /></p><p>And writing price guides will become a much bigger occupation. :wink;[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cladking, post: 361980, member: 68"]No. Market grading isn't meeting demand for coins market grading is pricing of coins. Most collectors' first question is "how much is this worth?". They don't care about the history or grading they want to know what it's worth. The slabbers put a neat little lable on it and certify that it's genuine so they can use the price guides. Here is where the system is affected by demand; as it increases prices rise even faster than the guides can reflect it. If a coin is a liner between a guide price of $400 and a guide price of $800 in a hot market than the real prices might be $700 and $1,200. So rather than putting the coin in a $400 holder they put it in an $800 holder since being high end it's easily worth $800. When the market turns around it goes the other way. There are other natural forces causing grade (pricing) inflation in rising markets but the grading (pricing) of extremely rare coins is mostly irrelevant. Buyers and sellers of these know their condition and know that they are being dramatically overgraded now. The 1804 doillars are an even poorer example since many of these have simulated wear which was used to help get them out of the mint. I don't know if this is one of them. But how would you grade a coin with simulated wear at the mint? Is it pristine if it has no new damage? Is it body bagged for the original damage? Again I fully agree that coins should be graded to a standard rather than priced. But why get upset with the TPG's who are simply filling a niche and doing what they're paid for. This is a problem with collectors and it's collectors who need education. When enough people demand grading rather than pricing then coins will be graded. If not by the existing companies then by new ones. And writing price guides will become a much bigger occupation. :wink;[/QUOTE]
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