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<p>[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 417088, member: 5629"]I woulda said:</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="5">WELL DUH!</font></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That's my point exactly! You have the choice of whether or not to accept the terms. You say there are instances that you would, and those that you would not. If you really were interested in a coin, but do not accept the payment options, you always have the ability to have a "meeting of the minds". Without such, eBay "auctions" would not be legal contracts. That is not to say that the seller must agree with it. You always have the option of "Ask(ing) The Seller A Question" and offering some form of incentive (if you win) for the seller to accept a different payment form...this is a legal contract, and your legal right to do so!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, what if you walked into a B&M and wanted a coin SOOOO bad that the dealer had. But, the dealer would only accept a DEBIT card and only with two forms of ID. If you did not have the dedit card (for whatever reason...even religious or you only had a CREDIT card), would you simply walk out with a cloud over your head? Of course not! You would try to make a deal with the dealer to accept a check with maybe three forms of ID or even cold hard cash! Yet, it is still the store owner's right to accept what payment he will for goods not yet transfered...there is no legal contract to buy/sell, only the intent.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, with eBay "auctions", these are legal contracts, not intent! That means the debt has already been agreed to and the terms outlined as to payment of such debt. It is the time before you bid that there is intent, and this is the time that you and the dealer negotiate any terms of the contract that are unacceptable.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another thing to consider as well, have you ever wondered exactly where eBay gets their numbers?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Ask yourself...where do they get that figure?? Really think about it. It's a lot like propaganda spewing over the radio in my town that "90% of Powell High School parents do not support this or that", and yet, a grave majority of these parents that I communicate with were never even polled on such issues.</p><p><br /></p><p>Numbers can mean just about anything. Really think about something here. PayPal disputes are obviously NOT included in their calculations! Disputes conducted via PayPal are handled via PayPal...NOT eBay! Anybody who has dealt with trying to get a PayPal refund notices this right away. Not only that, but eBay wrote that comment in such a way as to not compare it to anything. It does not say 80% more likely to file <i>than a payment made via PayPal</i>...it simply says 80% more likely to file...no mention of what other payment formats it is comparing to. There are a number of other forms of payment that are neither check/MO nor PayPal.</p><p><br /></p><p>Be careful of the propaganda, and read through into the bare facts of what is said.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just out of curiosity, though, you make the comment "I'm just saying it's nice to see them putting a stop to checks/M.O.s". Now, if you do not conduct business via check/MO, why is this "nice"? Is it the expectation that the sellers you normally would not have bought from will now be forced to accept your preference of payment? if so, I wouldn't hold my breathe to terribly long, because a majority of them very well may jump the sinking ship and go "elsewhere", where ever that may be...but then again, they may not.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 417088, member: 5629"]I woulda said: [SIZE="5"]WELL DUH![/SIZE] :) That's my point exactly! You have the choice of whether or not to accept the terms. You say there are instances that you would, and those that you would not. If you really were interested in a coin, but do not accept the payment options, you always have the ability to have a "meeting of the minds". Without such, eBay "auctions" would not be legal contracts. That is not to say that the seller must agree with it. You always have the option of "Ask(ing) The Seller A Question" and offering some form of incentive (if you win) for the seller to accept a different payment form...this is a legal contract, and your legal right to do so! Again, what if you walked into a B&M and wanted a coin SOOOO bad that the dealer had. But, the dealer would only accept a DEBIT card and only with two forms of ID. If you did not have the dedit card (for whatever reason...even religious or you only had a CREDIT card), would you simply walk out with a cloud over your head? Of course not! You would try to make a deal with the dealer to accept a check with maybe three forms of ID or even cold hard cash! Yet, it is still the store owner's right to accept what payment he will for goods not yet transfered...there is no legal contract to buy/sell, only the intent. However, with eBay "auctions", these are legal contracts, not intent! That means the debt has already been agreed to and the terms outlined as to payment of such debt. It is the time before you bid that there is intent, and this is the time that you and the dealer negotiate any terms of the contract that are unacceptable. Another thing to consider as well, have you ever wondered exactly where eBay gets their numbers? Ask yourself...where do they get that figure?? Really think about it. It's a lot like propaganda spewing over the radio in my town that "90% of Powell High School parents do not support this or that", and yet, a grave majority of these parents that I communicate with were never even polled on such issues. Numbers can mean just about anything. Really think about something here. PayPal disputes are obviously NOT included in their calculations! Disputes conducted via PayPal are handled via PayPal...NOT eBay! Anybody who has dealt with trying to get a PayPal refund notices this right away. Not only that, but eBay wrote that comment in such a way as to not compare it to anything. It does not say 80% more likely to file [I]than a payment made via PayPal[/I]...it simply says 80% more likely to file...no mention of what other payment formats it is comparing to. There are a number of other forms of payment that are neither check/MO nor PayPal. Be careful of the propaganda, and read through into the bare facts of what is said. Just out of curiosity, though, you make the comment "I'm just saying it's nice to see them putting a stop to checks/M.O.s". Now, if you do not conduct business via check/MO, why is this "nice"? Is it the expectation that the sellers you normally would not have bought from will now be forced to accept your preference of payment? if so, I wouldn't hold my breathe to terribly long, because a majority of them very well may jump the sinking ship and go "elsewhere", where ever that may be...but then again, they may not.[/QUOTE]
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