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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 8149564, member: 105571"]I presume you would agree with the general premise that every for-profit business has to garner a profit in order to stay in business? (I exclude the airlines because that is a business that seems to perennially lose money yet still stay in business.) I am not sure what you mean by the term "consignment fee" but I'm assuming you mean a fee charged to the item's owner, often called a "seller's fee". That fee is often based upon the estimated value of the owner's item. At most coin auction houses, the fee is non-negotiable for items below a certain value and is otherwise based upon a value table or is negotiable. If an item is of significant numismatic interest and/or will generate "buzz" for the auction house, they will often do a special deal on the seller's fees or waive them entirely.</p><p><br /></p><p>The historical model for traditional auction houses is that they take a percentage piece of the hammer price, called a "buyer's premium". That applies to farm auctions, car auctions, estate sales, etc. The rationale for this is to align the auction house's interests with those of the item's owner. The owner's interest is to achieve the highest price and so is the auction house's-when one makes more money, so does the other. Since there has never been a legally-binding fiduciary responsibility on the part of the auction house to the item's owner, the premium has been used as a means of aligning the two parties' interests. Note that, other than contractual/legal terms and good business sense, the auction house is under no mechanism nor obligation for aligning the buyer's interests with theirs. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, the Buyer's Premium serves to provide the auction house with the revenue needed to cover all of its expenses plus a profit. I fail to see why that should be in any way controversial. It is certainly not "ripping anyone off". The terms and conditions of each auction house are normally well advertised, they certainly are for Heritage Auctions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, to the OP's complaint. Heritage Auctions is a lousy place to buy low value coins and that is partly due to their relatively high BP, high shipping costs, and minimum BP ($29 minimum, regardless of the hammer price.). There are other, better venues for this part of the market. I think the OP just got surprised because he had not previously researched the market he decided to join and got an unexpected (to him) result. That happened to me a few months ago with a low value coin from Heritage where I ran into the minimum $29 BP. I posted on that and there was no one to blame for that surprise but me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 8149564, member: 105571"]I presume you would agree with the general premise that every for-profit business has to garner a profit in order to stay in business? (I exclude the airlines because that is a business that seems to perennially lose money yet still stay in business.) I am not sure what you mean by the term "consignment fee" but I'm assuming you mean a fee charged to the item's owner, often called a "seller's fee". That fee is often based upon the estimated value of the owner's item. At most coin auction houses, the fee is non-negotiable for items below a certain value and is otherwise based upon a value table or is negotiable. If an item is of significant numismatic interest and/or will generate "buzz" for the auction house, they will often do a special deal on the seller's fees or waive them entirely. The historical model for traditional auction houses is that they take a percentage piece of the hammer price, called a "buyer's premium". That applies to farm auctions, car auctions, estate sales, etc. The rationale for this is to align the auction house's interests with those of the item's owner. The owner's interest is to achieve the highest price and so is the auction house's-when one makes more money, so does the other. Since there has never been a legally-binding fiduciary responsibility on the part of the auction house to the item's owner, the premium has been used as a means of aligning the two parties' interests. Note that, other than contractual/legal terms and good business sense, the auction house is under no mechanism nor obligation for aligning the buyer's interests with theirs. So, the Buyer's Premium serves to provide the auction house with the revenue needed to cover all of its expenses plus a profit. I fail to see why that should be in any way controversial. It is certainly not "ripping anyone off". The terms and conditions of each auction house are normally well advertised, they certainly are for Heritage Auctions. Now, to the OP's complaint. Heritage Auctions is a lousy place to buy low value coins and that is partly due to their relatively high BP, high shipping costs, and minimum BP ($29 minimum, regardless of the hammer price.). There are other, better venues for this part of the market. I think the OP just got surprised because he had not previously researched the market he decided to join and got an unexpected (to him) result. That happened to me a few months ago with a low value coin from Heritage where I ran into the minimum $29 BP. I posted on that and there was no one to blame for that surprise but me.[/QUOTE]
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