Would You Send This In For Grading?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Danjohnson, Sep 5, 2016.

  1. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Unfortunately this coin also strikes me as a polish job. It would definitely be a very nice MS if it wasn't.
     
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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :rolleyes: You may need to take some classes.:bookworm: It appears I'm :(not making any sense. Try this observable FACT I've learned from
    professional TPGS graders: The only things that prevent a FH designation are these in order of importance:

    1. Ignorance.
    2. Strike weakness (from whatever the cause).
    3. Worn dies (full design never there).
    4. Severe damage after the coin was struck - as in the head is scraped away (I've seen many of these).

    Please explain how a coin with a fully struck head showing complete design details can become not full head with a few hits? Technically it cannot; however, as we all know, grading is subjective so you can hold YOUR OWN opinion.

    BTW I'm also waiting for you to explain why your statement of opinion in Post#11 was inserted (to give it some "weight?") in the middle of two authentic grading service quotes as it has no relevance to observable facts or actual TPGS standards! ;)
     
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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Now we are getting somewhere as we agree on this. "Chatter" is often used to describe the "original planchet surface impact" (OPSI) or "tumbling marks" from planchet preparation that were not completely struck out on the coin due to many reasons (five come to mind immediately). However, they are not commonly seen on SL quarters but are very common on other coin denominations and types.

    Polishing does not produce chatter. Nevertheless, I have heard some students use that term to describe the wavy surface of an extremely whizzed or polished coin.
     
  5. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    It wasn't. As stated in that post, the PCGS standard was added as an edit. The interpretation of the ANA standard was the end of the original post.
     
  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I read no where in any standard where hits eliminate a FH designation. Thanks for the education; color me uninformed.:shame::eggface::facepalm::(:shame:
     
  7. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I'm in agreement with Insider on this. FB on the Mercury Dime and Roosevelt Dime as well as FBL on the Franklin Half all state that a hit that interrupts the line will be precluded from being designated as such. The FH designation makes no preclusions from being designated as such due to a hit. As long as the detail is there and it is identifiable even with small hits, it's a FH. Now if the hit is harsh enough to completely wipe away the detail in the head, then obviously it cannot be called a FH as there is no detail to designate it.
     
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  8. Danjohnson

    Danjohnson Well-Known Member

    So does everyone mostly agree it would be a waste of money getting it slabbed? I think I read somewhere in another thread on this site that a person could carry the coin around in their pocket for a while to get rid of the polished appearance. Is that true and would it be unethical or pointless?

    I'm new to this level of collecting and a lot of what everyone is writing is still going over my head, so go easy on me. I'm really wanting to put a complete set of these together and purchased this coin raw for $200.00.
     
  9. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    It would almost certainly receive a details grade and is not worth the cost of submission IMO. If I were you, I'd return it if you could. The coin does not look natural and you can certainly do better for $200. If you are interested in doing a complete set, be warned, it is not an easy one by any means.
     
  10. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Yes, you'll be much better off buying a graded coin. SLQs in AU58-FH or MS63-FH are usually excellent coins.

    Sorry, but that would be pointless in this case :)
     
  11. Danjohnson

    Danjohnson Well-Known Member

    Ok, thanks for all the responses. Lesson learned and I'll be sticking to graded coins from this point forward.
     
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Speaking about heads, anybody ever have Dogfish Head? It's a Delaware brew, and I'm enjoying one, now. It's also a kick in the head, at 9% - oh, you were saying? :D
     
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  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Bad decision.
     
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  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    If he's new, it's sometimes best to play it safe. When he gets his whiskers wet he can do what you and I like to do.........:)
     
  15. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    It's an excellent decision until he gets the knowledge to grade coins and detect cleaned and counterfeit coins. How many more hundreds and perhaps thousands of dollars do you propose that he lose in the interim?
     
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  16. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    What a sad state of affairs this "hobby" has become...
     
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  17. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I think it will be easy for the OP to decide what to do since you don't have any useful advice.
     
  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That's a little presumptuous, kid, don't you think?
     
  19. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Maybe so. But I and others offered advice. You offered smart talk.

    I'm done.
     
  20. Danjohnson

    Danjohnson Well-Known Member

    Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to never go "raw" again.(lol) I went to my first coin show only a few months ago and I was completely lost. Purchased this coin and a gold Mercury and over paid for both.

    No big deal but I don't want to keep doing that. I joined this site and now I'm learning and as Santinidollar suggests, gaining the "knowledge" needed to do it right.
     
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  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I'm not. I offered an opinion on his decision. Now I'm done.
     
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