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Message:: [QUOTE="miedbe7, post: 2183617, member: 33919"]I need to clarify what I meant.  I was in at mid AU, so 53/55, even before the 2nd pic was posted.  That was wrong to begin with because I shouldn't be grading coins with one image.  However, people obviously with WAY more knowledge chimed in and went lower than that.  I do see the wear.  In all honestly though, I took your 40 grade as jocular, as you hinting at your tendency to be conservative in grading and adhering to the ANA technical grades.  Am I wrong in that assumption?  If so, I apologize. I did compare both photos however and it does show a DRASTIC difference.  I was speaking more in general about how one person can see a 40, or a 50, or a 55, in other words Extra Fine, About Uncirculated, Better About Uncirculated.  And  then, lo and behold, NGC comes in over the top with a 58!  I was trying to reconcile this and more than likely chose the wrong word: nitpicking. Sorry for the confusion Doug! edit: Also I don't think Kirk was posting his coin to show a similarly graded coin.  Just the same die pair.  His coin is obviously higher grade.  That goes without saying. edit2:  If I had to guess I'd put Kirk's N-4 at MS-64RB[/QUOTE]