Would you consider this a bisecting die crack? 1883 Indian Cent.

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Not sure I can see it across the entire coin, but they intersect and can be seen on either side of the rims north to south. I've never seen one quite like it. LOVE IT!
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I wonder if the Mint continued to use this die until it shattered? There is the one crack that starts at about 4:00 and extends across the wreath and then to the rim at about 7:00. It also branches out from the 7:00 position with a smaller crack in the general direction across the coin toward the shield where another crack extends to the rim at about 12:30. There is another small crack at about 8:00. I sure would like to see this die.

    Chris
     
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  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Here are the cracks I see:
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  5. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Although it goes rim-to-rim, I wouldn't call it a bisecting. It looks more like an Interior Die Break.

    When I hear rim-to-rim, I think of this:

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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Yeah, I missed a couple. FWIW, I've seen images of coins that were produced from dies about to shatter, but they were even more severe than your coin.

    Chris
     
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  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    But, the cracks on your nickel are relatively small (fine) compared to those on the IHC.

    Chris
     
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  8. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    A crack is a crack, right?
     
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  9. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    If those 3 met in the center of the coin, that would be incredible!
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Not exactly! The size of the crack is an indicator of the die state.

    Chris
     
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    This coin looks like the Die was about to shatter. Die cracks form in different areas until they meet. With continued use the Die finally shatters.
     
  12. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Not quite to the bisecting point yet since none of the independent cracks meet. Still a really cool coin!
     
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  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I love coins like this. Fun to see this many crack on the same coin.
     
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  14. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Supporter! Supporter

    I agree; it's like pregnancy, you are or you aren't. ;)
     
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  15. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I contacted David Poliquin (indiancentvarieties.com) and he told me I had a slightly earlier die state of Variety 18.2. Here is the mapping he has for the cracks, though he missed how the one from the shield goes down into he letter N... likely because his plate coin is so heavily hairlined. (His photo).
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  16. Mainebill

    Mainebill Love pretty coins

    I like the cracks. Wouldn’t call it bisecting but pretty much a shattered reverse
     
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  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    I wouldn't call it bisecting... yet.

    A hundred strikes later it is entirely possible that those cracks grew to become bisecting.
     
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  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    agreed
     
  19. Sixfootfour

    Sixfootfour New Member

    Maybe it is called a trisecting die crack !
     
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