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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;John Burgess, post: 5124961, member: 105098&quot;]I&#039;m in the no camp. Either a coin has signs of circulation or it doesn&#039;t.&nbsp; In my opinion, there&#039;s no reason a coin that is AU should be in MS, or a MS coin to be in AU if it&#039;s MS and has no signs of circulation.</p><p>there can be toning, and contact marks and hairlines, sure. when we get to &quot;rub&quot;&nbsp; I think it&#039;s a real fine line to where it gets considered signs of circulation vs. true rub.</p><p><br /></p><p>But the reason we have these type of issues with this line being blurred was the attempts of TPGs to &quot;market grade&quot; coins instead of sticking to the scale and disqualifying slightly worn coins from getting MS when, again, in my opinion, they should have excluded them.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;it&#039;s already subjective enough without making it even more subjective in both directions. In fact, Market grading already happens and exists, but it just sends AU coins into low-mid MS, but not Ugly banged up MS coins into AU for some reason.... oh yeah &quot;the market&quot;....</p><p><br /></p><p>They should have stuck to the basic rules, this is why there&#039;s so many people that don&#039;t trust TPGs opinions, because of market grading, which is clearly overgrading coins that should have been excluded from MS because it&#039;s too nice still or in a lincoln cents case &quot;just too &quot;red&quot; for it to be AU even though it&#039;s got signs of circulation wear, but because it&#039;s still so red they give an AU-58 coin a MS63 or so.</p><p><br /></p><p>If they did this idea on top of what they already do, it makes TPGs even less relevant besides verifying a coin is genuine, they already done more than enough damage to their credibility with market grading. Anyways rant finished.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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