Would you consider any of these coins Brilliant UnCirculated ?

So I have noticed :too-funny:

 

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SGS, is that you? MS70 means Major Scratches on 70% of the coin.

 

SGS ? Someone Got Swindled ?

 

Amen brother.

 

I'm sorry that was wrong of me ,,, I meant to say .. Some-Good-Scrap ....

 

Kennedy halves are one of my favorite coins to collect btw. I am almost complete on the entire set in bu/gem. Just missing a few silvers from the 90's. I always keep my eyes out for nicely toned Kennedys as well.

 

Mine too ..
I do have a complete GEM set myself .. Wonderful coins in my book
My daughter and I have Kennedy's that seen hard day's to almost museum quality
were always on the hunt for them

 

I have some strange attraction to even the beat up ones. I seem to hoard all of them, even with no value over face. I can't be alone, because I rarely ever see them in circulation.

 

Also, back on topic about this thread. I always thought I had some very high grade ones. Then once I started finding Gems from unc rolls and mint sets, then I really started to see the difference between an uncirculated one and a true gem. This actually goes for all the modern coinage I collected.

 

If you can find and afford the really high grade moderns then more power to you but I believe the sweet spot for most collectors are the nice gems and near gems. You'll run into the occassional choice or superb gem in mint sets for cheap but mostly if you just look through a few rolls and mint sets you'll usually find something pretty nice for no premium or a low premium. People just don't appreciate how tough choice moderns can be and how high the potential demand might grow.

On the Kennedy look for a nice clean shield on the reverse since this is the first thing to get marked. Look for sharp strikes and good luster those these are fairly easy on mint set coins. Don't demand perfection and be willing to settle for nice until you can find something better. Otherwise you might pass up a really choice coin and never find better.

 

One of my favorite Kennedy's is the 1998-S Matte we picked up recently
Pretty nice looking coin although the Silver Proofs have a remarkable gleam as opposed to it
There is just something about it that keeps me interested .....

 

In practice, there is little to no difference between "Uncirculated", "Brilliant Uncirculated", and "Mint State". The coins in the pictures are at a minimum high AUs, and given that the 2002 and 2008 were released only in bags sold to collectors, I suspect those are actually Uncs.

 

Rick,

'Gleam' is not really a term we use in numismatic circles. What you are referring to is known as 'luster' among coin collectors.

 

Hobo don't get me wrong in any way .. to be so critical let me just naturally respond ( gentleman Like )
Words are familiar enough for my satisfaction ,, they go together very well .. With Luster .. You get a Nice Gleam




World English Dictionary
lustre or luster (ˈlʌstə) — n 1. reflected light; sheen; gloss 2. radiance or brilliance of light 3. great splendour of accomplishment, beauty, etc 4. a substance used to polish or put a gloss on a surface 5. a vase or chandelier from which hang cut-glass drops 6. a drop-shaped piece of cut glass or crystal used as a decoration on a chandelier, vase, etc 7. a. a shiny metallic surface on some pottery and porcelain b. ( as modifier ): lustre decoration 8. mineralogy the way in which light is reflected from the surface of a mineral. It is one of the properties by which minerals are defined




World English Dictionary
gleam (ɡliːm) — n 1. a small beam or glow of light, esp reflected light 2. a brief or dim indication: a gleam of hope — vb 3. to send forth or reflect a beam of light 4. to appear, esp briefly: intelligence gleamed in his eyes
Word Origin & History

gleam
O.E. glæm "brightness, splendor, radiance," from P.Gmc. *glaimiz (cf. M.H.G. glim "spark," gleime "glowworm;" O.N. glija "to shine, glitter"), from root *glim- , from PIE *ghlei- "to shine, glitter, glow, be warm." Verb is early 13c., from the noun.

 

Very good point.
I like that motto... "assume UNC is MS60 until you know better"
(and that is taking the seller at his word that 'UNC' is not XF-AU)

I am not positive, but I think the term "gem" is only used at MS65 and up.

 

ebony and ivory .. live together in perfect harmony ......... so can we .....

 

Rick, You obviously misunderstood my post. I was not trying to be critical of you. My intent was to merely point out the term coin collectors use for what you were describing. I think communication is improved when everyone is speaking the same language. As a new collector you may not be familiar with coin lingo and I thought I would introduce you to a new word so you could better communicate with other coin collectors.

Sorry to have offended you. That was not my intent.

 

No I am NOT easily offended ... I'm pretty thick skinned
I just read and respond .... Accordingly ? or maybe as I "Think" seems fit well.. at least at the time
DO NOT let anything I say offend you I can tell you it would never be intended to do so

 

Can't tell from the pics given , they could go either way , but lean towards MS .
rzage

 

This seems to be what many are misunderstanding in grading. Brilliant uncirculated, uncirculated, and MS60 are interchangable. That's not to say all MS60 graded coins are worth the same. If a coin can't make the grade MS61, but has no wear, defects, or signs of improper cleaning it is an MS60. It can have 15 or 40 bag marks on it. you can't knock an uncirculated coin to AU status beacause of eye appeal, or bag marks. But, many AUs are going for more money than some ugly UNCs.