Would you call this a shattered die?

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A shattered is something broken into many pieces, right? Now, it is not a fractured die? That's because it is not any missing parts of it's features. So, no, it is not a "shattered" anything. It's fractured.

 

There is no numismatic Definition for a fractured die. There is one for shattered. 3 pieces, which this die seems to be broken into could fit that definition.

 

Three* I see three intersecting lines. The die is in 3 pieces.

 

I almost did, but prefer the chatter and reasoning people give. For me, it’s a toss up. I’d call probably it a shattered die, but maybe early state.

 

Your definition is a bit over the top. Indefinitely large is too much. I reject it and supply the definition “great in number”. To me, that is more subjective. Three die cracks could be great in number relative to normal. Also, most of the shattered dies on the site show 3-4 intersecting lines. Mine shows up to 3, with 2 at the absolute least, if you’re being picky. Besides, who is to say the first die crack isn’t an angled one? Also, the enlarged die crack on the feet could be indicative of it being an intersection of two die cracks, instead of just one.

 

This definition is not "Mine". It is from a dictionary.

 

So was “mine”

 

When I use the definition of numerous you provided, only a coin with 10+ die cracks would suffice. Error ref shows plenty with around 4 cracks, so I’m inclined to believe they didn’t intend for coins to need to have die cracks that counted “indefinitely large numerically” to be considered shattered.

 

Cool coin!!!! I was thinking. If this was the windshield of your car would it be cracked or shattered? I would say cracked.

 

This. Early state shattered die.

 

When a train hits a truck and doesn’t derail it’s still a train wreck. Shattered imo

 

This is from cudsoncoins....
Bisecting Rim to Rim Die Cracks
Definition: A bisecting rim to rim die crack is a fault that traverses the die face and is seen as a slightly raised, continuous line from rim to rim. A bisecting rim to rim die crack is NOT a split die, but may form into that anomaly type.



The 1941-S Jefferson nickel shows a rim to opposing rim die crack. The die crack can be seen starting between the letters B and S in PLURIBUS and terminating between the O and F in the word OF.
Shattered Die
Definition: A “shattered die” features numerous intersecting die cracks. Along with the profusion of die cracks, a shattered die can also incorporate other forms of brittle fracture such as die breaks and retained die breaks.

A shattered die often indicates a terminal die state, i.e., a die just short of catastrophic failure. A series of coins struck by a shattered die can often be arranged in a progression of increasing severity.



An extensive set of bi-level die cracks can be seen above in a 1913 Chinese 100 cash coin. The obverse face shows at least seven bi-level die cracks and a few smaller conventional die cracks.



The shattered die seen above is the George Bush Medal of Merit. Image is courtesy of Ken Potter.

 

@Newbie69 if you look closely at the photo Seattlite86 posted there is horizontal offset. IMO there is enough evidence that the die split and this is not just a simple rim to rim die crack. The coin is an early die state example, we just don't have enough evidence to tell if this is just a retained cud, or eventually became a shattered die. The multiple die cracks connecting at a central location makes me believe that it eventually shattered.

 

I'm sorry @Pickin and Grinin I thought it was a question about shattered dies, I didn't catch that part. Guess that's why I'm Newbie!

 

Medium early ultra late die state!

 

We all have things to learn, that is what this forum is about. If you felt put on the spot negatively, it wasn't my intention.

 

Not at all @Pickin and Grinin . Not my intention either. Thanks

 

Personally I would want to see more cracks.



This is more what comes to my mind when I think shattered die.

Don't get me wrong, I think those are pretty neat die cracks, just not what I imagine when I hear "shattered die."